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Ok, I admit I have a fascination with what is often referred to as whipit guns. They are also called sawed-offs in the general public. While they can be devastating when they are used in the right situation they are very much a special application concealed weapons. They are strictly short range weapons. They possess amazing destructive capability against light to unarmored vehicles, structures and people, but it comes at the price of heavy recoil and muzzle blast, a limited magazine capacity. Also they can be hard to aim accurately which is important because despite the myth still held in parts of Hollywood shotguns do not produce vast cones of destruction that mow down all in their path. In fact using buckshot at standard defense ranges, 7 yards or less, it will often produce a one big ragged hole about the size of a small grapefruit in the target, so if you want to hits something you better be aiming.
The version of whipit gun shown here is based on the Remington Model 11 which was maunfactured at the beginning of the 20th century. It is effectively a license built version of the FN Automatic Shotgun, later called the Auto-5, designed by John Browning. Unlike most semi-auto shotguns made today which are gas-operated the Model 11 is recoil operated. This means that instead capturing some of gas from the fired cartridge to cycle the action, and soften some of the recoil, it instead upon firing of the weapon the barrel and bolt travel rearward for a short distance until the bolt unlocks from the barrel and continues on back. The empty cartridge is ejected and upon reaching its full travel against the recoil spring the bolt goes forward feeds a new cartridge into the chamber recocks the weapon and locks the action in preparation for the next firing.
Due to Import Tariffs at the time FN shotguns were prohibitively expensive in the United States. Therefore Remington built them for the US. Market and FN kept the European share. In the 1920's Model 11 was popular with both law enforcement and those that they fought to bring to justice. Dillinger, and Bonnie and Clyde are just some of the notorious names that wreaked mayhem with the Model 11.
The version of whipit gun shown here is based on the Remington Model 11 which was maunfactured at the beginning of the 20th century. It is effectively a license built version of the FN Automatic Shotgun, later called the Auto-5, designed by John Browning. Unlike most semi-auto shotguns made today which are gas-operated the Model 11 is recoil operated. This means that instead capturing some of gas from the fired cartridge to cycle the action, and soften some of the recoil, it instead upon firing of the weapon the barrel and bolt travel rearward for a short distance until the bolt unlocks from the barrel and continues on back. The empty cartridge is ejected and upon reaching its full travel against the recoil spring the bolt goes forward feeds a new cartridge into the chamber recocks the weapon and locks the action in preparation for the next firing.
Due to Import Tariffs at the time FN shotguns were prohibitively expensive in the United States. Therefore Remington built them for the US. Market and FN kept the European share. In the 1920's Model 11 was popular with both law enforcement and those that they fought to bring to justice. Dillinger, and Bonnie and Clyde are just some of the notorious names that wreaked mayhem with the Model 11.
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It was done by simply cutting and filing the original rear stock to its new shape; then the thick leather was wrapped and then secured to give some kind of padding and reinforcement to it. I didn't cut the stock all the way to a pistol grip because unless one can get a new shorter stock bolt made for it you need the extra wood. I wanted a modified weapon that showed someone who had taken the time to finish it nicely but didn't have access to a machine shop.
One disadvantage of recoil operation, of course, was that it was possible to 'limp wrist' your shotgun, if you failed to hold it against the recoil. http://www.tommygun.com/imgs/dillinger3.jpg , assuming this link still works, shows off a very similar model 11, right at the bottom.
Yep! But the limp-wrist scenario is a problem for many semi-auto designs. It is the reason the some advocate using only pump-action shotguns serious social stuff. Still you can jam or fail to load a pump if you short-stoke the action after firing. The best defense against either problem seems to be plenty of practice when possible.
in 1978 to 1982, I was in high school, and part of that was the SHotgun team, (trap shooting)
we had a bevy of stock Remington 1100's. if I have the chance to buy one, I will. they are not sawed off, but instead, terribly long. not really wieldy in close quarters, but all kinds of good in the contests..
we had a bevy of stock Remington 1100's. if I have the chance to buy one, I will. they are not sawed off, but instead, terribly long. not really wieldy in close quarters, but all kinds of good in the contests..
Ah yes back when they'd let you do all kinds of Non-PC things in high school sports. I learned skeet with a Remington 1100 and I think the gas-operated system it made the process a lot easier since I was only a 105 pound 8th grader back then. Of course skeet guns don't have quite as long of a barrel, but at that age it still looked like an anti-aircraft gun to me. Wish I could've continued doing it but we were tight on money at the time.
yes. at the time, anti-aircraft barrel would have been a good description. seemed huge. like the older flintlock varmint guns that looked like they had a two meter long barrel.. when I go to gun shows today I look for them. they are about $4-500 dollars. one of my goals before I die.
Actually, I have a Remington 1100 SP magnum, which used to have a 33" goose barrel, but now has a 19" improved cylinder barrel, a 7-shot magazine, and another of those reflex sights I like so much. Being gas operated, it's much harder to limpwrist, the disadvantage being that the gas system provides a couple of more points of failure.
I'm not sure why, but this reminded me of the mere known several Mosin Nagants that were converted to smoothbore shotguns I recently read about. I'm not a firearms expert, but obviously there would only be room to chamber them in 410 and they would only be bolt action instead of SA.
I'm not just fascinated with whippits, but early 20th century history in general.....including gangsters, prohibition, etc.
I'm not just fascinated with whippits, but early 20th century history in general.....including gangsters, prohibition, etc.
Awesome drawing. I love your gun art and wish I could afford to buy some. Someday. (btw, I'm also a Rosemary fan-boy)
For home defense, my favorite is the Ithaca 37 in the rare "trench gun" configuration, loaded with birdshot. They made some of those but they are almost as scarce as hen's teeth. My reason for the pump action is the psychological effect when you pump a round into the chamber. Last time I did that I wound up having to replace my patio door! Ithaca 37 because it's the most mechanically reliable shotgun built.
For home defense, my favorite is the Ithaca 37 in the rare "trench gun" configuration, loaded with birdshot. They made some of those but they are almost as scarce as hen's teeth. My reason for the pump action is the psychological effect when you pump a round into the chamber. Last time I did that I wound up having to replace my patio door! Ithaca 37 because it's the most mechanically reliable shotgun built.
Does yours have the ventilated handguard and bayonet lug? That would be a rather rare bird since most of those were manufactured during WWII only. There might have been a few put together for Nam but by then US. Forces were primarily using the Remington 870's and Savage 77E's.
Well Browning and FN continued production of it under the name Auto-5 until at least the early 90's, and both them and Remington definitely built a lot of them so it would not be surprising to even today find them in peoples possession. Was your's a Remington or a Browning/ FN manufacturer?
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