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"Tha'smarts, Puck."
"It would hurt less if you'd stop moving." I murmured placatingly, gently rubbing the rag soaked in alcohol over the third scrape I'd found on his muzzle alone. This was going to take a long time. I could smell at least a dozen more places he'd cut open last night.
"Ain't enough th'ice locked me under th'water, it's also gotta cut me up? Bloody river." The coyote muttered, irately, then hissed. "Damnit, Puck. I prefer my moonshine in mah belly, not m'wounds."
"Can't be helped." I replied automatically, most of my attention fixed on treating the wound near his eye without getting the alcohol IN his actual eye. "I don't have any more of my balm, and if you get infected out here, it's a death sentence. I don't have the supplies. . . ."
I trailed off, realizing the coyote's muzzle had turned up in what had to be one of his familiar grins. I'd never seen them, and yet somehow, they were all too familiar.
I sighed. "What?" I asked, sitting back and reapplying what was left of the moonshine to what smelled like a clean section of the rag. Honestly, this was a lot harder to do without my balm. The moonshine's strong scent was dominating most everything and burning my nose. Even the distinctive scent of Ransom's blood paled in comparison.
"You were so damned worried." The coyote chuckled.
"I knew you'd be fine." I asserted, my tail tossing behind me. "Shivah was more upset-"
"Oh, you was just DYIN' inside." Ransom snorted, that smirk still in his tone. "I was half outta my mind, and I remember. You were bawlin' into m'chest all damn night. Did you get ANY sleep?"
I stiffened defensively. I'd honestly thought both he and Shivah had only just woken. Gods, if he'd heard. . . I hoped she hadn't. I thought I'd made a valiant effort to look strong.
"She doesn't need to think this was her fault any more than she already does, Ransom-"
"I know."
"-so don't you dare, EVER, mention any of that to her. You're alive." I moved forward again and took hold of one of his hands, where it felt like his palm had been split open, I could only imagine by the edge of the broken ice. "That's all that matters." I murmured.
I felt his other arm shift and his large palm cupped my ear a moment, lingering just long enough that I almost put the rag away.
But our companion was outside readying the hare they'd brought back, and she chose that moment to cough. . . so he dropped his hand and I sighed, going back to cleaning his wounds.
I was silent for as long as I could bear it, then spoke, quietly.
"She's going to find out eventually, Ransom."
No idea what that short story was all about? You can read 'Off The Beaten Path' here! - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11578732
"It would hurt less if you'd stop moving." I murmured placatingly, gently rubbing the rag soaked in alcohol over the third scrape I'd found on his muzzle alone. This was going to take a long time. I could smell at least a dozen more places he'd cut open last night.
"Ain't enough th'ice locked me under th'water, it's also gotta cut me up? Bloody river." The coyote muttered, irately, then hissed. "Damnit, Puck. I prefer my moonshine in mah belly, not m'wounds."
"Can't be helped." I replied automatically, most of my attention fixed on treating the wound near his eye without getting the alcohol IN his actual eye. "I don't have any more of my balm, and if you get infected out here, it's a death sentence. I don't have the supplies. . . ."
I trailed off, realizing the coyote's muzzle had turned up in what had to be one of his familiar grins. I'd never seen them, and yet somehow, they were all too familiar.
I sighed. "What?" I asked, sitting back and reapplying what was left of the moonshine to what smelled like a clean section of the rag. Honestly, this was a lot harder to do without my balm. The moonshine's strong scent was dominating most everything and burning my nose. Even the distinctive scent of Ransom's blood paled in comparison.
"You were so damned worried." The coyote chuckled.
"I knew you'd be fine." I asserted, my tail tossing behind me. "Shivah was more upset-"
"Oh, you was just DYIN' inside." Ransom snorted, that smirk still in his tone. "I was half outta my mind, and I remember. You were bawlin' into m'chest all damn night. Did you get ANY sleep?"
I stiffened defensively. I'd honestly thought both he and Shivah had only just woken. Gods, if he'd heard. . . I hoped she hadn't. I thought I'd made a valiant effort to look strong.
"She doesn't need to think this was her fault any more than she already does, Ransom-"
"I know."
"-so don't you dare, EVER, mention any of that to her. You're alive." I moved forward again and took hold of one of his hands, where it felt like his palm had been split open, I could only imagine by the edge of the broken ice. "That's all that matters." I murmured.
I felt his other arm shift and his large palm cupped my ear a moment, lingering just long enough that I almost put the rag away.
But our companion was outside readying the hare they'd brought back, and she chose that moment to cough. . . so he dropped his hand and I sighed, going back to cleaning his wounds.
I was silent for as long as I could bear it, then spoke, quietly.
"She's going to find out eventually, Ransom."
No idea what that short story was all about? You can read 'Off The Beaten Path' here! - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11578732
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Oh I'd guessed long ago these two were much more than just friends. ;) Love it! <3
Puck looks simply fantastic in this art, very real even! It's hard to want to jump in and just hug him. ^_^ Also you can really see the size deference's between them.
All in all fantastic art! I really want to get a limited print of this one if you make any, and could hold one for me.
Puck looks simply fantastic in this art, very real even! It's hard to want to jump in and just hug him. ^_^ Also you can really see the size deference's between them.
All in all fantastic art! I really want to get a limited print of this one if you make any, and could hold one for me.
This is absolutely beautiful! Wonderful detail on the fur; and as always I love how you capture facial expressions.
Have you thought about including these little vignettes in the printed work? Kind of like an interlude between chapters?
...and seriously, Puck? She already knows! She's not stupid lol :P
Have you thought about including these little vignettes in the printed work? Kind of like an interlude between chapters?
...and seriously, Puck? She already knows! She's not stupid lol :P
I had always just assumed they were a cross specie gay couple. or two friends so close that makes little difference. and now they have a third person with them. Will they bond to Shivah as closely as they are? that will be the interesting point to track in the coming editions of the story.
I honestly think it'd been a lot better if they were just friends, but with a more "spiritual" connection that would've fit the theme of the story. Them being a couple would feel forced and all too predictable, rather than having something to throw the readers on a loop. I don't want to come across like a jerk here, I'm just throwing it out there.
Also, it would ruin my Ransom/Shivah pairing, which I am goddamn passionate about in my drunken haze. I apologize for anything I said tthat would've offended anybody, except I don't.
Also, it would ruin my Ransom/Shivah pairing, which I am goddamn passionate about in my drunken haze. I apologize for anything I said tthat would've offended anybody, except I don't.
You seem conflicted. :p
I don't know if it was any deep, dark secret (at least, not to the readers) that they're partners. Just about every chapter has some hint that they're very physically close to one another. In fact, given all the subtext and foreshadowing, I'm getting paranoid that this is some grade-a queerbaiting.
Ruin your pairing? Would you be opposed to an OT3? That doesn't seem too farfectched, actually... maybe I should start shipping it.
I don't know if it was any deep, dark secret (at least, not to the readers) that they're partners. Just about every chapter has some hint that they're very physically close to one another. In fact, given all the subtext and foreshadowing, I'm getting paranoid that this is some grade-a queerbaiting.
Ruin your pairing? Would you be opposed to an OT3? That doesn't seem too farfectched, actually... maybe I should start shipping it.
I'unno. I'm just rambling right now. But I just thought that a more "unusual" approach would've been more fitting in context of the plot; if not, it'd come across as a story made for the opposite purpose of what the author intended; aka. a story about Ransom and Puck, simply disguised as something different by being told from someone else's perspective. Then again, I'm just rambling right now. I guess I'm just fond of the "build-up" leading to something completely unexpected, just to thrown the audience off the rails and do something new and clever. Then again, I have nothing insightful to say right now. Even if I tried, I probably couldn't write a proper narrative.
I'd just love to be surprised for once.
I'd just love to be surprised for once.
I'm afraid I don't see your point of this being a forced relationship. It's been very clear to me for some chapters now that they care deeply for one another even if it's far from traditional relationship. The silly things that Ransom says to Puck clearly he does not mean, and the fact he cares for someone handicapped is something I admire.
I take it from your profile your straight. While I clearly have no issues what so ever with that I have to wonder if your negative feelings of these characters being in a relationship rather than Ransom/Shivah is because you harbor some negative feelings towards a homosexual relationship.
I take it from your profile your straight. While I clearly have no issues what so ever with that I have to wonder if your negative feelings of these characters being in a relationship rather than Ransom/Shivah is because you harbor some negative feelings towards a homosexual relationship.
As much as I find the idea amusing, I'm sorry to ruin any 'shipping' you might have, but. . . Ransom and Shivah would be a more forced, predictable couple than anything else I could conjure in this book :( THAT'S actually the setup, the red herring, you might say, that's laid out in the first couple of chapters, which is perhaps why you began to support the idea. Pairing them would actually ruin the connection, and more importantly, the parallel storylines I'm trying to build between the two of them. In a big way.
Also, don't assume that just because Shivah is the main character, this is any less Ransom and Puquanah's story. Just like Heretic wasn't any less Delilah or Cuthbert's story. Whereas much of the book was Luther trying to come to terms with losing his lover and fitting in to a society that couldn't accept who he was, no less of it centered around Johannes trying to accept Luther into the family he protected, or dealing with his religious convictions, squaring those with his budding respect for the cattle dog. No less of it had to do with Delilah's pregnancy or the father of those children, or her learning how to be strong in a society where she was constantly reminded she didn't matter. I try to give equal attention to the main cast. Just because it's a personal account from one character doesn't mean the plot has to center entirely around her. . . in fact, without Puck, and honestly more importantly, Ransom's story, it would be impossible for me to build up and really explore certain aspect's of hers. I hope you see this as the story goes on.
The subject of 'the main female character must be paired up' is also something that's always greatly bothered me, over the years. And usually it's with the first available male, as though the mere thought of her being unattached is just unpalatable to the readers. It seems that every single story about a 'strong female lead' turns into a story about which MAN in the book is going to ultimately claim her, and that's a trope I'd very much like to subvert, in this book. Now, Shivah being able to have feelings for, let alone be physical with, another man is an important part of her character progression, I won't deny that, and it IS a subject that comes up. But as for a sweeping romantic story? Don't keep your fingers crossed. I want this character to overcome the odds on her own two feet, friends at her side, perhaps. . . but no need for a dashing prince to save the day.
Besides, Ransom isn't all that 'dashing' :P
Also, don't assume that just because Shivah is the main character, this is any less Ransom and Puquanah's story. Just like Heretic wasn't any less Delilah or Cuthbert's story. Whereas much of the book was Luther trying to come to terms with losing his lover and fitting in to a society that couldn't accept who he was, no less of it centered around Johannes trying to accept Luther into the family he protected, or dealing with his religious convictions, squaring those with his budding respect for the cattle dog. No less of it had to do with Delilah's pregnancy or the father of those children, or her learning how to be strong in a society where she was constantly reminded she didn't matter. I try to give equal attention to the main cast. Just because it's a personal account from one character doesn't mean the plot has to center entirely around her. . . in fact, without Puck, and honestly more importantly, Ransom's story, it would be impossible for me to build up and really explore certain aspect's of hers. I hope you see this as the story goes on.
The subject of 'the main female character must be paired up' is also something that's always greatly bothered me, over the years. And usually it's with the first available male, as though the mere thought of her being unattached is just unpalatable to the readers. It seems that every single story about a 'strong female lead' turns into a story about which MAN in the book is going to ultimately claim her, and that's a trope I'd very much like to subvert, in this book. Now, Shivah being able to have feelings for, let alone be physical with, another man is an important part of her character progression, I won't deny that, and it IS a subject that comes up. But as for a sweeping romantic story? Don't keep your fingers crossed. I want this character to overcome the odds on her own two feet, friends at her side, perhaps. . . but no need for a dashing prince to save the day.
Besides, Ransom isn't all that 'dashing' :P
That wasn't even the issue. It just seemed like the perspective itself was more of an unnecessary idea in the first place; as in "this isn't really a story about Shivah, but rather a story about Ransom and Puck as told through someone else's eyes, just as a different form of plot-device."
Please don't take this the wrong way; I don't think you are a badwriter or anything among those lines. It was just this particular story that bothered me in many ways. I have no wish to impose or change any of the manners in which you want to convey your story.
Again, I apologize if you take any of this the wrong way. I don't consider myself a good writer to begin with, and I may have radically different ideals about general storytelling and development than others. Maybe it just didn't hit me as it did with others. Personally, I think even the most despicable people can have a good story to tell.
I never considered Ranson particulary "dashing" as you pointed out. It may not be a Farewell to Arms-type story, but I suppose literature strike may hit everyone in a different way.
As for the whole "shipping" part; that was more of a joke. Please don't take it the wrong way.
Please don't take this the wrong way; I don't think you are a badwriter or anything among those lines. It was just this particular story that bothered me in many ways. I have no wish to impose or change any of the manners in which you want to convey your story.
Again, I apologize if you take any of this the wrong way. I don't consider myself a good writer to begin with, and I may have radically different ideals about general storytelling and development than others. Maybe it just didn't hit me as it did with others. Personally, I think even the most despicable people can have a good story to tell.
I never considered Ranson particulary "dashing" as you pointed out. It may not be a Farewell to Arms-type story, but I suppose literature strike may hit everyone in a different way.
As for the whole "shipping" part; that was more of a joke. Please don't take it the wrong way.
Well, I'm sorry you see it that way. The fact that you're seeing that now suggests that the sticking point for you in who this story was 'about' concerns who is attached romantically, since this isn't a sentiment you expressed earlier. That's exactly the fear I had in initially writing this story. . . that readers would not remain interested in a female character unless she was paired up. But it's still a standard of writing female characters I'd like to subvert, so I'm going to stay the course.
There's more to Shivah than who she is or isn't romantically attached to. Most of this story has centered around her quest, around her spiritual connection and her past, and how the trauma she endured is shaping the way she regains herself as a person. If anything, I'm concerned because the story is told so within her own head, I'm not sparing enough time for the other characters. They have a story to tell, as well, and I don't want to neglect it, especially as Ransom and Shivah's stories are meant to parallel one another.
I hope you can see value in the other aspects of Shivah's character, besides the romantic sub-plots, because that's a very minor part of the story for her. I hope you can still enjoy the important parts of her story I'd like to tell :)
There's more to Shivah than who she is or isn't romantically attached to. Most of this story has centered around her quest, around her spiritual connection and her past, and how the trauma she endured is shaping the way she regains herself as a person. If anything, I'm concerned because the story is told so within her own head, I'm not sparing enough time for the other characters. They have a story to tell, as well, and I don't want to neglect it, especially as Ransom and Shivah's stories are meant to parallel one another.
I hope you can see value in the other aspects of Shivah's character, besides the romantic sub-plots, because that's a very minor part of the story for her. I hope you can still enjoy the important parts of her story I'd like to tell :)
I never said they had to be romantically involved; again, it was a joke (made for reasons.)
I'd simply argue that this story is simply using her as a facade to tell THEIR story. Any at all romantic attachment would neither make or break the story (at least from the writer's perspective), but regardless of what we see in her heart or head, this is purely in regard of the story, and the tone of said story. Any romantic relationships would feel wrong.
I won't argue about what you should or shouldn't write, as I have no say in it (even if I did, what exactly would it amount to in the end?), but the same thing could be said for a lot of other readers; is this a story made for the ones who care about Shivah, or simply those who wish to see Puck and Ransom together? I don't claim to know any of them, but in the end, where is the potential for the story itself?
Then again, maybe the story just didn't click for me. Whether worldview or complete understanding of anything are to be taken into account, I suppose I see very little. And even that is wrong (but it might be questionable.)
Shivah's story will probably grow more interesting in the future, I hope. I like some of her development.
I'd simply argue that this story is simply using her as a facade to tell THEIR story. Any at all romantic attachment would neither make or break the story (at least from the writer's perspective), but regardless of what we see in her heart or head, this is purely in regard of the story, and the tone of said story. Any romantic relationships would feel wrong.
I won't argue about what you should or shouldn't write, as I have no say in it (even if I did, what exactly would it amount to in the end?), but the same thing could be said for a lot of other readers; is this a story made for the ones who care about Shivah, or simply those who wish to see Puck and Ransom together? I don't claim to know any of them, but in the end, where is the potential for the story itself?
Then again, maybe the story just didn't click for me. Whether worldview or complete understanding of anything are to be taken into account, I suppose I see very little. And even that is wrong (but it might be questionable.)
Shivah's story will probably grow more interesting in the future, I hope. I like some of her development.
Maybe you need to wait for the rest of the story to pan out before making these judgments? Maybe the fact that she has to deal with the first knowledge she's ever had to face of two males being bonded in that way, will change her perspective on the world? You're coming at this assuming that there's no reason for the romantic involvement outside of the central character - but you don't know for sure if that's true or not until you've read the whole thing. ;)
I'm honestly baffled that you'd see so little of interest in Shivah's story that you'd call it a 'facade'. Whether or not you're intending it to do so, that really bothers me. I set out with this book to create a strong female character who suffers historically-based sex discrimination and abuse and follows a path both of both spiritual and emotional growth to overcome it and re-form a sense of self. It might not be your kind of story, sure. . . maybe what I've written so far isn't to your liking, but I assure you, the plight of a female in a male-dominated culture who suffers forced marriage, forced breeding, loses a child and then is stoned by her own family is a story that is plenty interesting to me. And every chapter thusfar has developed her internal and external struggles, and followed her motivations and actions. Puquanah and Ransom are just as necessary for the story, and are interwoven into the plot, but honestly, I'm never going to develop them anywhere near as much as I will Shivah. I physically can't, since the story is told from her perspective.
Also, if it makes any difference to you, Shivah DOES have a romantic subplot later on. Not with Ransom, but I feel it's necessary to her development to face her issues with men in some way. . . it's not something I intend to ignore. But that's not her story. Her story centers around an abusive past, a terrible injury to her head, a spiritual guide and the visions she constantly experiences, her quest to pursue her husband, her need for revenge for her child's death, and her development as a hunter and an independent, capable, dangerous woman. I'm not sure how you feel ALL of that is nothing more than a screen for the supporting cast's story. If you don't LIKE her story, that's fine. . . but please don't deny it's there. Shivah's story is really important to me, personally. I feel the subject of sex discrimination and sexual abuse is something this community in particular seems really loathe to talk about. It's my hope this book will encourage that sort of discussion.
Also, if it makes any difference to you, Shivah DOES have a romantic subplot later on. Not with Ransom, but I feel it's necessary to her development to face her issues with men in some way. . . it's not something I intend to ignore. But that's not her story. Her story centers around an abusive past, a terrible injury to her head, a spiritual guide and the visions she constantly experiences, her quest to pursue her husband, her need for revenge for her child's death, and her development as a hunter and an independent, capable, dangerous woman. I'm not sure how you feel ALL of that is nothing more than a screen for the supporting cast's story. If you don't LIKE her story, that's fine. . . but please don't deny it's there. Shivah's story is really important to me, personally. I feel the subject of sex discrimination and sexual abuse is something this community in particular seems really loathe to talk about. It's my hope this book will encourage that sort of discussion.
It's not really about what's there now.
Whether or not she has a relationship with anybody makes no difference, at least not for me. And I do like her story, which is by far the most interesting thing here.
I'm sorry. I am not denying that the story doesn't have any development. It just seemed like you were a lot more interested in the supporting cast than Shivah, which I am probably wrong about. I know it's basically a common trope in all of your stories, but it just felt out of place in this one.
I don't want to write anything to offend you or any of your readers, but it just seemed like that to me so far. I think it's great that you take it into account. Anything else I might say would just be broad assumption, and I'd more or less be dwelling in darkness at that point.
Again; I don't think you're a bad writer, and I don't that the subject matters are unimportant. I'm glad it interests you to talk about it.
Whether or not she has a relationship with anybody makes no difference, at least not for me. And I do like her story, which is by far the most interesting thing here.
I'm sorry. I am not denying that the story doesn't have any development. It just seemed like you were a lot more interested in the supporting cast than Shivah, which I am probably wrong about. I know it's basically a common trope in all of your stories, but it just felt out of place in this one.
I don't want to write anything to offend you or any of your readers, but it just seemed like that to me so far. I think it's great that you take it into account. Anything else I might say would just be broad assumption, and I'd more or less be dwelling in darkness at that point.
Again; I don't think you're a bad writer, and I don't that the subject matters are unimportant. I'm glad it interests you to talk about it.
In all honesty, it is refreshing to see a story where it isn't your standard, hero emerges from the ashes to save the damsell in distress.
The story of Shivah IS interesting, both because it adds a female point of view to the Red Lantern world. But in a way that readers can enjoy her growing character. From someone whose world has been completely ruined and then thrown somewhere she has never been before. Her own struggles to things she never thought capable, like killing someone even if it was self defense, to being able to live with two people that also struggle with their culture, but in their own way towards her.
It takes a lot of character to overcome her difficultues and partially Ransom assists her with that on a physical plain, whilst I feel that Puck assists her more internally, spiritually. Even as those two risk to being discovered by in something that even females at that day and age (well I assume cultures that aren't used to having brothels) would not fully come to terms with or understand fully. As a fully dominate male role was set up.
In a sense, this is the complete other coin then with say Luther. Who himself tried to fit into a society that dispised males who were anything but straight. Here we have a 'heroine' who is forced out of her tribe due to her character and actions that were forced on her even. I must say that I enjoy these type of stories a lot, and it is indeed a shame not enough time could be made to see all the characters. Heck imagen if one could 'read' all the stories from their POV.
Our current society demands perfection and anything that seems remotely imperfect gets cast into a corner. Be it rape, handicaps, marriage isseus, abuse, suicide... And a lot more. Whereas people should be able to talk to others about it and not have fear on these things. In a story set around the 1700's, I understand that comming out with such isseus would be a death sentence in some cases. But havn't we all evolved to a point where these things, as you say, should be able to be discussed? Without the preassumptions, accusations and so forth that people all love to make.
The story of Shivah IS interesting, both because it adds a female point of view to the Red Lantern world. But in a way that readers can enjoy her growing character. From someone whose world has been completely ruined and then thrown somewhere she has never been before. Her own struggles to things she never thought capable, like killing someone even if it was self defense, to being able to live with two people that also struggle with their culture, but in their own way towards her.
It takes a lot of character to overcome her difficultues and partially Ransom assists her with that on a physical plain, whilst I feel that Puck assists her more internally, spiritually. Even as those two risk to being discovered by in something that even females at that day and age (well I assume cultures that aren't used to having brothels) would not fully come to terms with or understand fully. As a fully dominate male role was set up.
In a sense, this is the complete other coin then with say Luther. Who himself tried to fit into a society that dispised males who were anything but straight. Here we have a 'heroine' who is forced out of her tribe due to her character and actions that were forced on her even. I must say that I enjoy these type of stories a lot, and it is indeed a shame not enough time could be made to see all the characters. Heck imagen if one could 'read' all the stories from their POV.
Our current society demands perfection and anything that seems remotely imperfect gets cast into a corner. Be it rape, handicaps, marriage isseus, abuse, suicide... And a lot more. Whereas people should be able to talk to others about it and not have fear on these things. In a story set around the 1700's, I understand that comming out with such isseus would be a death sentence in some cases. But havn't we all evolved to a point where these things, as you say, should be able to be discussed? Without the preassumptions, accusations and so forth that people all love to make.
Actually that would be my hope as well. So many times if two males (or females, in my case) live together, the general consensus is; they're gay. But a platonic, emotional relationship is also very possible too.
I'm still not saying they're gay/Pansexual or the like until I see evidence (or read it.)
rukis has surpised me before.
I'm still not saying they're gay/Pansexual or the like until I see evidence (or read it.)
rukis has surpised me before. 
I think if it does turn out they're a couple, Shivah would be visibly weirded out at first, and that would put a strain in their relashionship.
She must have never heard of men hooking up with men and such things.
I do feel that them being a couple is being strongly hinted, though. This stood out to me in last chapter:
"How the fox was so accomplished at undoing the knot without even seeing it, I couldn't imagine, but it took him barely a moment."
It does seem Puck is rather acquainted with undressing Ransom, huh?... :3
She must have never heard of men hooking up with men and such things.
I do feel that them being a couple is being strongly hinted, though. This stood out to me in last chapter:
"How the fox was so accomplished at undoing the knot without even seeing it, I couldn't imagine, but it took him barely a moment."
It does seem Puck is rather acquainted with undressing Ransom, huh?... :3
Yes that was my thought as well. fire, or freeze branding is the only way to 'tattoo' a furred body. They tattoo skinned areas (lips for example) but only branding can actually make a 'tattoo'
Personally thinking of the pain makes me stay well away from tattooing, especially branding.
Personally thinking of the pain makes me stay well away from tattooing, especially branding.
Tattoes really aren't that bad, depending on where you have them. I have several and I'll admit some of my more solid ones did hurt. I don't think it could be anything close to scarification though, some of my ancestors did. And I have a few old family photos printed on metal of my mothers family that prove it. Not something I could personally see my self doing, and in Pucks case I could only imagine the suffering that little guy would of gone though having much of his body scared.
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