Pretty much spot on.

We just going to use this just on "Terrorists"

Pretty soon the "Terrorists" are every US Citizen.

That's already happened in Britain. They passed a rule saying that terrorist offenders could be held for 6 days without charge. But they'll only use it for terrorist offences.

Next thing you know, there are lots of terrorist offences! Bank robbery... Car theft...

Actually they do that in this country except it's 72 hours and it generally gets extended if they "lost" your paperwork or if you are suspected of being a domestic terrorist then they invoke the patriot act which takes your rights away....

and at that point you can challenge patriot act as violation of rights cause no LAW can stripp you of rights there is a supreme court ruleing on this as well.

Except in practice, no one exercises the law in those terms....
Hell, for the last five years, if you live within 100 miles of the national border (read: 3/4 of the country) the police can search any of your documents with no warrant needed, and usually when they do that they call "terrorist" on your rights.

You forgot even if you challenge they still can keep you from making your phone call and/or access to a lawyer under the act.... the only way most of those that was successful either had someone on the outside knew what was going on or another prisoner was able to make contact for you....

the fact it stripps rights basic ones at that renders it illegal andnull and void once properly challenged it would be shutdown.

Too late! We've already got the IRS targeting groups that don't follow the President lock-step, PRISM, a suspension of habeas corpus, and rampant infringement on an inalienable Bill of Rights.

The only real solution is to keep the government dirt poor...

soo true >_<

Why does often big brother need high tech gadgets? With all the twitters, facebook, and other social sharing technology. People end up publicizing themselves that big brother would just a computer, internet, and enough computer hacking skill to get around any privacy block (if any). And this is sadly a reality. People have lost jobs and students kick out of schools due to employers and colleges looking at facebook accounts.

I don't think you should question the way Big Brother does things.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Pretty much all you need to know. X.X

One simple way to handle this is to provide too much information for any human being to use as-is, and to make filtering out the excess difficult. A regular map shows one mile per inch of map, so the larger the map, the more detail can be included, the less useful it is. A map that is accurate to one mile per ten miles of map will be much better than the real world for detail, but only a few people would have a use for it.

If so much information were crammed in with everything else, a computer would be needed to distinguish and clarify what was happening, but a computer only does what you tell it to. If the police are forced to do this, the only time it would be useful is if they already know what they are looking for as opposed to keeping watch. If one officer has to deal with a million cameras at once he's not going to be very effective, but if anyone calls the police then they have records of everything, including their own usage in the event that they misuse it.

Its a trade off. You cannot be totally safe without someone watching your back.

But you cannot be considered free if big brother is watching and cataloging your every move and thought.

They has to be some kind of middle ground, I would think.

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FREEDOM.

Take your own security in to your own hands and not more or less Paramilitary Mercenaries called the police.

So you suggest everyone arm themselves then?

Actually, that's not necessary either. If a significant number of people were armed, criminals would have a pretty significant deterrent not knowing who might end their life next time they trespass against another. It wouldn't be a complete elimination of crime altogether, but it'd make it very, very risky for criminals.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Why not do it to America? They're already trying their damnedest to do it to the rest of the world.

On the note of terrorism, since the PATRIOT ACT's implementation, nearly ten times as many confirmed Christian terrorists have been found as Middle Eastern terrorists found. Also, the definiton of terrorist is generally one who uses fear for political or personal gain. Like Bush's campain on terror. He used that for his reelection. By English definition...

Just saying.

Nods.

I also find the killing of suspected terrorists by drones highly questionable. Aside from the 'collateral damage', what a nice description for innocent people getting blown to bits. A or several secret service(s) and the army gather the evidence and someone(s) deicides to have the suspect killed and orders a drone attack. I have my doubts of the legality of that.

Don't grt me wrong, I think there's a coupe billion too many people on earth, but we can't simply kill people. Everyone starts out with the right to life. Those who kill unnecessarily seem like the ones who may need to go.

I'm in complete agreement here.

Well then. I must be so accustomed to people being unreasonable I expected you to not be.

The way I see it, we can either get our birth rates under control or ensure that we can the people we have and ewill get can be fed (as incredible as it sounds, we can do that from a technical point of view).
As it is, we are too greedy/lazy/stupid (take your pick) to do so.

As for thise that kill unnecessarily, well, there is nothing to add on that. Murder is murder, even if a goverment (or it's agencies) does it.

Too optimistic? Well, yes and no.
The problem is, that the department heads decide who gets spied on. Even if you have someone responsible at the hesd of such an organization, there is no guarantee that thext one will be as responsible. Although, even the depatment head must bow before the head of state, so...

Even if you have a reasonable goverment, that makes a good surveilance law, you have no guarantee what the next goverment will do with it once the law is in place. It's a bit like the freedom of speech in the US. It's a good law, but those that made it did not forsee that there could be a time when it is possible to pressure he people and the media to only say the right things without the need of a law. By definition, it's not a law, but it is still censorship by the state. I'm thinking about the McCarthy's 'red scare' here for example.

You know the funny thing is the government learned all this stuff from the mob and right here in Vegas from the casinos..... Anything new out there generally was first tested here.....

I can't help but think; Archer,

It's funny when Mr. "Violent revolution is the solution to all our problems" gets concerned about other people's political violence.

I came up with, "The possession of power necessitates its use." (i.e. If you have a hammer, you're going to want to hit something with it.)

Not that surveillance itself is the problem; I have no problem being watched by those I trust. Yet how many of those in power can we really trust?

Just wait until the general public gets their hands on all that equipment.

Cop: "Hey you, take those Glasses off so we can beat this guy in peace!"
2 dozen bystanders: "Google, post video."

Isn't a US citizen already considered a terrorist in America?

I just assumed that was the case from the way they frisk you and put hands in places you don't normally get to on a first date and ask you more personal questions than your own doctor whenever you go through an airport.

I have seen the DHS armored vehicle a couple of times this last month. I want one.

Interestingly enough, Mirror's Edge comes to mind. How much longer until defending your right to privacy becomes a felony?

Heh... drones... Almost as soon as people starting fielding them, people were taking them down and they weren't even using guns to do it.

You... do have a ton of spy gear. We all do. Not just our cellphones, but the tech in them. Tiny microphones with recording and broadcast capabilities. Same with cameras. Or tin cans and string. Or a trained parrot. Or delicate spring-wound seismographs concealed within a pen.

The issue isn't and never has been the technology. The consumer demand for this is not great. It's the money. It's more acceptable to spend a billion spying on people than... listening to people. We want decent wages, affordable health care, and hope for the future. Yanno... our basic needs met. A status quo that the vox populii cheers.

but but its for SAFETY

hey Karno my cameras caught you picking your nose eww