Well I was talking to
PseudoSamurai a while ago and we sat down and worked on an idea for possible design of my Vixen Devil hunters Pistol taht she uses. we tossed around some ideas. but for the most part I left my friend use his own digression on this picture and see how his idea of what it would look like turn out.
A day later and many doodles later he tells this was his end idea. and its pretty shiny if i do say so myself ^.^
Art © to
PseudoSamurai
peace and enjoy ^.^
PseudoSamurai a while ago and we sat down and worked on an idea for possible design of my Vixen Devil hunters Pistol taht she uses. we tossed around some ideas. but for the most part I left my friend use his own digression on this picture and see how his idea of what it would look like turn out.A day later and many doodles later he tells this was his end idea. and its pretty shiny if i do say so myself ^.^
Art © to
PseudoSamuraipeace and enjoy ^.^
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The entire gun is built on an offset, so there's counterweights on the opposite side to balance it out (hence why I drew that obnoxious piece at the bottom of the pistol, near the trigger switch)
It'll be refined, but for now, that's just the basic rough.
I had a hard time figuring out how I'd balance the dual hammers. x.x
It'll be refined, but for now, that's just the basic rough.
I had a hard time figuring out how I'd balance the dual hammers. x.x
Hello, dear heart.
It is less a matter of balance on the hammers as it is a matter of the feed mechanism on the gun, from the point where the magazine's upper segment is to the feed ramps. Both upper and lower unit would need their own independent slide and breech block, above and beyond their firing mechanisms.
If you look at how most semiautomatic and automatic pistols (self-loading, in this case), you will find that the slide and breech block, as it moves back, hooks the edge of the round below and when it moves forward it pushes the round up the feed ramp until it is seated in the chamber. In the process of moving back it also cocks the hammer so it is ready to fire.
When you look at a double gun, the question is how to feed the upper unit separately from the lower unit. While offsetting the feed to the side is somewhat effective, a double-width magazine is VERY wide, plus the handle and grips. Trust me as someone who has fired pistols, a double-column magazine, which staggers the rounds in a zig-zag formation, is wider than most people without large hands are comfortable shooting, and this is in a relatively low caliber (9mm).
In order to do what you have outlined here, o0ne part of the magazine would have to feed higher than the bottom one. This is an engineering nightmare, as the lower slide cannot move back through the magazine's space. An off-center slide system would introduce tremendous metal fatigue and stress on the gun as well.
Side-by-side would make more sense, with the rounds ejecting downward or upwards. As well, one might look into a dual-magazine (separated magazine) system for feed.
Please keep in mind these are merely the thoughts and suggestions of someone who has shot guns for now close to a decade of her life, from pistols to rifles, and has had to break them down afterward for cleaning. If all you are looking for is something artistic, then fleshing out HOW it works would be unnecessary. If you really want to work it out, though, look into the logic behind firearm designs. A few hours online or at the local library (or better still at a local range with the range officer or other avid shooters) could help you significantly, and indeed may even inspire more ideas, some possibly far more amazing.
Respectfully,
Mika Kyubi
Kitsune-at-Large
It is less a matter of balance on the hammers as it is a matter of the feed mechanism on the gun, from the point where the magazine's upper segment is to the feed ramps. Both upper and lower unit would need their own independent slide and breech block, above and beyond their firing mechanisms.
If you look at how most semiautomatic and automatic pistols (self-loading, in this case), you will find that the slide and breech block, as it moves back, hooks the edge of the round below and when it moves forward it pushes the round up the feed ramp until it is seated in the chamber. In the process of moving back it also cocks the hammer so it is ready to fire.
When you look at a double gun, the question is how to feed the upper unit separately from the lower unit. While offsetting the feed to the side is somewhat effective, a double-width magazine is VERY wide, plus the handle and grips. Trust me as someone who has fired pistols, a double-column magazine, which staggers the rounds in a zig-zag formation, is wider than most people without large hands are comfortable shooting, and this is in a relatively low caliber (9mm).
In order to do what you have outlined here, o0ne part of the magazine would have to feed higher than the bottom one. This is an engineering nightmare, as the lower slide cannot move back through the magazine's space. An off-center slide system would introduce tremendous metal fatigue and stress on the gun as well.
Side-by-side would make more sense, with the rounds ejecting downward or upwards. As well, one might look into a dual-magazine (separated magazine) system for feed.
Please keep in mind these are merely the thoughts and suggestions of someone who has shot guns for now close to a decade of her life, from pistols to rifles, and has had to break them down afterward for cleaning. If all you are looking for is something artistic, then fleshing out HOW it works would be unnecessary. If you really want to work it out, though, look into the logic behind firearm designs. A few hours online or at the local library (or better still at a local range with the range officer or other avid shooters) could help you significantly, and indeed may even inspire more ideas, some possibly far more amazing.
Respectfully,
Mika Kyubi
Kitsune-at-Large
*whistles and wows* well its wonderful to know someone can give me a hand. I have heard and been told a few times that the horizontal would be more 'effect' and realistic but then again the series of games the character this is based from, has some really ridiculous stuff too.
First of all, and I'm being serious, I'd love to congratulate you on keeping these wonderful pieces of information completely suggestive and informative without making it seem like you were trying to question the merit of the way I threw together a gun at 4am in the morning without experience behind it.
Secondly, I'm quite impressed. It doesn't take much to sound like you know what you're talking about, but you do sound like you know your stuff. =)
I don't know very much about guns, save for the basics. I've always had a strange way of sometimes figuring out how things work without prior knowledge to the point where it can confuse the ones who obviously know way more than me. I don't let the fact, that I don't know much about it, stop me.
Thanks for the input!
Secondly, I'm quite impressed. It doesn't take much to sound like you know what you're talking about, but you do sound like you know your stuff. =)
I don't know very much about guns, save for the basics. I've always had a strange way of sometimes figuring out how things work without prior knowledge to the point where it can confuse the ones who obviously know way more than me. I don't let the fact, that I don't know much about it, stop me.
Thanks for the input!
As I had said to Silkpaws, I'm always glad to try to help. I don't believe that a criticism must be harsh or resounding to get its' point across. As the old line says, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". I'd rather lend a soft hand and nudge to something than a swat, which can bring a house of artistic cards tumbling down.
If there is anything I can do to help, please, don't hesitate to ask. I adore helping. Trust me on this, a good place to learn about gun design begins at wikipedia and leads outward from there.
I'm glad to have helped (if I did), and that I did so without harming.
With love,
Mika Kyubi
Kitsune-at-Large
If there is anything I can do to help, please, don't hesitate to ask. I adore helping. Trust me on this, a good place to learn about gun design begins at wikipedia and leads outward from there.
I'm glad to have helped (if I did), and that I did so without harming.
With love,
Mika Kyubi
Kitsune-at-Large
It is entirely possible to make this gun. the recoil would be obnoxiuos, but other then that it would be possible with a few minor design changes. (sorry its the engineer in me) The mag would have to be revamped. It would be too bulky, and complicated, however if you happened to have on side of the mag up the extra inch it might work a little better. Also a single hammer and trigger would be more effictive, only because it would be simpler. I do see why you have both hammers though. Just saying one would be easier.
For a little bit more of a badass factor, and a feasability factor you might want to look at a revolver. Because you could have a double stacked drum, instead of the single drum. Would also look really sweet.
For a little bit more of a badass factor, and a feasability factor you might want to look at a revolver. Because you could have a double stacked drum, instead of the single drum. Would also look really sweet.
*nods* i was getting the idea original from the DMC4 revolver that was designed much the same way as this with an over under barrel. and I do recognize that for an autoloader the barrels would most likely be side to side instead of over under. though i didn't think of the one hammer and such. this pistol was mostly done to look really cool more then actually realistic effect. as i said before, it was suppose to be something designed for a Devil May Cry character and alot of things in that game really aren't reliables or could even exist.
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