Really? Ugh.. I'm sorry to hear that someone was using your character like that x.x

*reads shirt* hmmm really now. *does hand pyramid of evil contemplation*

hahah that feels like me in my cHat system XD

Poor Icee. ;n;
The amount or random people running off with your character makes me so sad....and some of the reactions they give when you confront them make me not want to live on this planet.

Very cute pic though! How long before it gets posted with a terrible pink MSPaint wash over the t-shirt? >_>;;;

I honestly figured they'd just crop it to the face which is why I made sure the watermark ran through part of it lol

we in the world do people do this crap. 1. come up with you're own character and stop stealing other peoples fursonas, agreed?

How much does such a shirt cost? I want one, too. The same thing happened to me...

You'll have to keep an eye on his account!

I will

He posted the link today! I've edited the submission info above on where you can purchase the shirt.

Thank you, Icee-San^^

As an avid F-list user I must inform you that the situation isn't quite stealing. Many copy them off image hosting sites like e621 which sometimes never list the artist. They have no clue where its from, who made it or there feelings.

Another thing is since they don't know they are, and still don't want to offend, many will put under there image "Will put down on artist request". For some it may be impossible to locate the orginal artist and credit them or ask for permission. Truth be told I don't think they ever meant to dishonor your character if anything they enjoy it greatly and thought your image was a wonderful source of inspiration.

This not to say there are not dumb-fucks would would callously not care.

My point is that you seem to want to send a message against something that is common place beyond belief. Maybe you feel you should rally all artist to reclaim and demand permission from them. If you think it's hard then maybe you see otherwise.

I do respect the creative rights of an artist and more importantly ones imagination and I simply wish to shed light on the situation.

I hope I don't come off as a douche-bag.

In anycase, it's still under the term "Art Theft"

But that's the situation, is it simply ignorance in the matter and they really do appreciate the art or are they selfish?

Art Theft is only defined by what the artist wills.

As someone who uses F-list, when I make character, I avoid any belonging to artist who would mind it being publicly shared.

At the same time this could be seen as art promotion as well. I guess Imitation being the sincerest for of flattery would be the case.

"I must inform you that the situation isn't quite stealing"
Icee, as the intellectual property holder, is calling it theft. It's therefore theft.

"Art Theft is only defined by what the artist wills"
Right. Icee and the artists she has commissioned define it as theft. So...it's theft.

Regardless of the ignorance of the person committing the theft, it's theft.

I never said was theft. My issue is the degrees of guilt.

You said "I must inform you that the situation isn't quite stealing" - this is a direct quote from https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10...../#cid:70520478
It is in fact stealing.
If someone does something wrong without malicious intent, that doesn't mean it's not still wrong.

Well it is true. It's not completely theft. Theft in normal regard is the taking of ones possession from another's possession so they possess it and the owner does not. This is similar to what many gaming company try to prevent with anti-piracy acts. Plus are these people stealing or promoting? Of course in this situation it is stealing because the artist has made it clear that her wishes that her mental properties be used by others.

For the most part I was speaking in general, not purely on her case and her case alone.

Using Icee's characters without her permission is a way of making her characters not her own.

Anything posted without permission of the source and credit to the source is theft.

I am not arguing that this is her character and this is her wish.

Plus it's not theft if the artist doesn't define as it being so. The fact is an artist grows through there media and art being shared and expressed. This is what cultural exchange is based off, the transfer and copy of ideas from one to another.

If the artist doesn't define it as being theft, if the artist is okay with it, then that is the artist giving permission.
If the artist doesn't say something one way or the other, that is NOT permission.

Artists may like having their stuff shared, but it's uh pretty rare that they like having it shared without being credited as the originator...

Is it possible to credit and artist without knowing there name?

If you know of their website, blog, or other identifying source, you can credit that way. For instance, if you do not know what an artist's legal name is, but you know their username on a website, you can credit that.

However, it is still not enough to only give credit - you must ascertain whether you have permission to post in the first place.

Soooo argument in a nutshell: I'm not arguing that it's not art theft, but it's kinda not art theft. I mean, it's all defined by the owner of the art, so it's art theft if they say it's art theft unless it's kinda not art theft, then it's not art theft, but it still could be maybe?

Sorry, this whole thing made me giggle a bit.

Clearly you're not reading this guy's message correctly because you keep referring to the owner of the character. This guy is talking about the artist who DREW A PICTURE USING ANOTHER ARTIST'S CHARACTER, NOT THE CHARACTER OWNER. He's saying that it's not theft if the person who drew art of another's character is unaware of the character's owner and/or is not intending to steal said character.

A) I don't agree that that is what this person was saying. They were saying that it is not stealing if a person doesn't know that the artist/owner doesn't want work posted, especially because some might use it with good intentions. Good intentions/ignorance or not, stealing is stealing.

B) We have already come to an understanding, and more importantly they and Icee have. Bringing this back up is pointless.

Theft in this case is a term used in the following sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyri.....t_infringement - specifically, "Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft. In copyright law, infringement does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization."

If I do Understand Copyright Law, and it's very possible I don't, Isn't true one must actaully take the time to get something Copyrighted, as legally get papers and such? Or is this something that would imply regardless of what the artist has done?

Nope! Copyright exists on a work as soon as it is created, regardless of filing copyright.

Trademarks are a different story entirely so this might be what you are thinking of - to trademark something, one must have an identifiable setting (such as a webcomic, movie, product, et cetera) and legally file for it.

Well, as I would said, I could be wrong and I was. You shall get that point in your favor.

I have honestly found that 75% of the time I try to ask nicely, I get told to fuck off and get blocked because "they found it on the internet therefore they can do whatever the hell they want with it" ... it's rare that it was a genuine mistake and they didn't realize I wasn't giving permission. In the case that prompted today's post, she was very blatantly ripping my images direct from my FA to post to her facebook and when my friend politely messaged her informing her that I didn't allow it and to please take them down, my friend was instantly blocked...

I don't consider it flattery when people are using my character to e-fuck everyone and then I get messages in my inbox assuming that I am doing that... it's not nice for people to treat you like a cheap fuck just because someone is whoring out your own character...

Then if that is the case then I support you fully and without question. She has no right to defy you, the artist, the sole creator of the intellectual rights of your character. She is your and it's not my goal to say it isn't yours.

I can also see how have such a lovely character would generate such relentless messaging and sexual disregard. As the people before who would deny your your write to claim the art you which you own are wrong so are they too.

I speak for those who are fair and decent, to those who simply wish a was to express there characters and ideas, not to those who would injustly use them so.

I'm sorry if this is all stressful, I am very passionate certain things.

Please understand I have full and up most respect for you and your creative thoughts.

I have had a few occasions where people step up and apologize to me, not having known... those are the sorts of people who I have often become friends with. But sad to say, those situations are extremely rare. I wish it was true that most of the theft was due to sheer naivete over my character but sadly it's not. I understand you are trying to stand up for those who are in the right... but I am sad to tell you it's a LOT less frequent than you think...

Very well said.

Amen to that.

I don't know why they keep taking your character! Man it's so wrong. I do like the shirt idea.

They keep taking them because there beautiful and detailed. This is perfect for someone wanting to define themselves on F-list.

Truthfully most of it is simply a case of ignorance not knowing who the artist is.

more rare so is the malicious case.

In my experience, and I deal with this all the time, it's not simply a case of ignorance... it's a case of entitlement. I have been met with so many "fuck you"s when asking politely that I am to the point where I usually just go straight to admins and DCMA it. I do not deserve to be treated like shit because I'm asking them nicely not to use my character...

You clearly have not dealt with this from my perspective if you think it is rare that they are not completely aware of what they are doing... I've even had people steal images with my watermark asking NOT to repost...

I'm hoping to be selling those shirts at Anthrocon, I'm just waitin on my merch guy

Think you'll make em available for order? I'm not going to be able to make it out to Anthrocon this year.

I'm sure we'll be able to sort out something

Sweet deal, I'll keep an eye out on your page! ^____^

eh sad to hear people are using your character like that x.x

I think I'd be kinda flattered to find out others liked my chars images enough to use them.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I like this image quite a lot.

I glad you feel that way. I know many who do borrow images but I don't think any of them are trying to hurt anyone feelings.

Seems like this post has struck a nerve with someone :3c

Sort of, It's not like I've taken offence but I am an F-list User so I feel the need to speak from my own experience.

Translated: I am trying to justify it so I don't feel like I'm doing the wrong thing myself.

Dude, there is absolutely nothing you can say that will justify the use of someone's character against their will.

Whoever said against there will?

Your assuming I'm defending people to take what they want, which I'm not.

If this artist wishes to not have her contents used then that her's to enforce.

I'm also saying that other artists do allow more free access of ones art.


As for my intentions I am not taking anyone characters against there wills and wishes. I respect artistic ownership and any artist makes it know to me they do not to wish to have there content freely used I will respect that without second question.

It's not flattery when people assume you will be an easy e-fuck because someone else is whoring out your own character... I've had friends who have been straight up kissed by strangers at cons who assumed they had been the person they were RPing with, only to find out the character was stolen and used by someone. I'm not into having random strangers treat me like a quick e-fuck because someone else is whoring out my character...

Most awkward situation ever, but its part of the whole furry thing and part of why I'll never be to another con. I've had my character stolen more than a few times because I'm not massively known but there's art of my character out there, to be honest there's only one thing you actually can do, which is to ignore it... Or watermark it so much that it will start ruining the artistic quality of the picture which will just be edited out, then you will need to start making hard water marks etc.

This is a great pic though...nice T-shirt....totally appropriate...

I'm distracted by that shirt, and I'm sorry you are :C

The shirt made me laugh XD

Welcome to my world x.x

Man. Most of the time your images are right in there with mine... something hot about teal and white and tits I guess. I honestly don't know how you handle all of this

You seem to have more body doubles than Saddam Hussein (did). Pretty sure I've ran into at least a couple dozen Fraudicas on F-list back when I used to use it.

the only time i would use a character is by the owners permission(things like splitting on a commission or comission as a gift)

sucks to hear something like that seems it happens alot with more known characters; personal or just owned by somebody. also sucks cause i assume know you might hesitate on getting icee paired with any other character. but again a assumption.

i do love your character and its shitty to hear this but i hope things can be rectified on some level soon.

I don't get why you feel mad about people using your fursona for 'yiff' roleplays, after the character is being put in sexual themes all the time. People on Facebook do so to call attention.

That's pretty much saying she was asking for it because she dresses provocatively. Just sayin'.

I'm not sure you can compare rape to misusage of art. Well you could but It would seem gross inaccurate.

Some people's characters are very personal to them, and in a way it is a rape of their ideal of their character. Especially because the 'misuse' (I'd call it what it is: theft) is sexual in nature. Some people don't care, but obviously Icee does.

Oh, and I was remarking on that user's wording/phrasing choice. It just struck me as humorously ironic.

I'm sure rape victims who have truly have had something taken from them, something truly damaged and suffered a lot would find your humor lacking.

Excuse if my own humor is lacking It's hard to be humorous when people think your saying "I encourage Thievery" When the matter is I do respect the artist wishes and feeling and if they wish to kept there contents to themselves then that is there given rights.

I have poorly explained this point I'm trying to make.

I guess what I'm saying is, It's not wrong unless the artist says so. And Acquiring that information can be difficult.

I am a rape victim, and the logic of "That person does sexual things anyway, there's nothing wrong with raping them!" is precisely the same as the logic of "This character is used for sexual art anyway, it's okay for me to use it myself!"
It's being used in a different setting for a different crime, but it's the same faulty logic.

You should ALWAYS assume that you do not have permission to use artwork unless you are specifically told that you do. If the knowledge of whether the artist/character owner approves or not is difficult to acquire, you should abstain from using the artwork until you do have explicit permission.

I am a rape victim, and the logic of "That person does sexual things anyway, there's nothing wrong with raping them!" is precisely the same as the logic of "This character is used for sexual art anyway, it's okay for me to use it myself!"
It's being used in a different setting for a different crime, but it's the same faulty logic.

.....Holy shit D:

That's....wow. I trusting you on the ground you wouldn't say such a thing insincerely.
I'd still like to say that this is not what I'm talking about, I don't want to do anything against anyone will.


You should ALWAYS assume that you do not have permission to use artwork unless you are specifically told that you do. If the knowledge of whether the artist/character owner approves or not is difficult to acquire, you should abstain from using the artwork until you do have explicit permission.

Then all fanwork be damned, every single person who draws a mlp character or OC. As clearly they have not in there entirety asked any of the artist to draw there art or use there media. What is the difference between one artist and another? I get what your saying thought but the serious expectation to assume that doesn't really seem grounded. If an artist leaves no signature or watermark, what does that assume? What they simply borrowing it?

Maybe the real question you should ask is if Icee here has asked Company that created Icee if she can use there products with here character.

Have you been paying attention to this conversation what so ever?

My point has a double meaning, They complain about copywrite issues and yet have character that clearly been portrayed using a product without asking someone. My point being that one should respect someones wishes to use an item, but also that if not mention otherwise, there is generally nothing wrong with it.

This is a big issue really, the same things that drove stuff SOPA and PIPA. It's just the nature of how vague and confusing these things really are, and defining them besides by ones own opinions on the matter cannot really be set.

See now this is the part where you realize your attempted to make me look foolish has ended up with your foot in your mouth because you didn't pay attention to whats being said.

Where have I complained about copyright issues? I have complained that people are using my character without my permission... not that a copyright is being violated... You are right. I have not gotten permission from the company to call my character Icee nor have I gotten permission from them to use their beverage in art of her from time to time... but how does that justify people using my character when I very expressly forbid it?

It doesn't justify people from taking your character, I assure you, 100% that I am NOT trying to advocate anyone stealing your art. I'm speaking about people borrowing pictures in general, and that my feelings are unless the artists say otherwise then it's find to share it others to enjoy.

The problem is... people share it and then their friends share it and their friends' friends share it... and the original message/intent/credit gets lost... one person shares my image against my will, other people see it and then assume it's okay to share it since the first person did... then their friends share it, etc. and then suddenly everyone has my character all over. It's why I do not allow images of my character on Facebook.. so many people posting without credits to myself or the original artist, many even claiming the character is theirs or that they drew it... It is MUCH safer to assume it is NOT safe to share an image unless you can find the original artist and ask them explicitly...

I sadly do not have the talent of and artist and will never know your plight. I do know that ones hard works is something they like to claim and the idea those who have done work would benefit is disgusting.

If people are maliciously spreading the content in that way then I feel it's only fair that you try to close it off. It's yours, and no one can take your imaginations or thoughts of your own creation.

I guess in truth I was being to optimistic assuming people could simply respect artistic wishes but if not then the you shouldn't have to suffer. She's a wonderful character and something I can tell you've put so much of your heart into it. I would say anything against reclaiming it.

To be honest, a lot of the ones who are doing it are in the 15-25 range... the same kids who are suffering issues of self entitlement and thinks the world owes them for existing... Some of them are of the belief that because it is on the internet that it has become free reign... It's really really sad that this is the way our nation is turning... but spare the rod, spoil the child and you end up with an awfully rotten egg...

Amen to that.

Thank you. I wouldn't.

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Technically yes, fanart is in fact derivative and illegal - at least when it is done for profit - and not automatically protected under fair use. It is up to the individual copyright holder to decide whether it is okay.
Fanart is often encouraged (not always) because the companies who hold copyrights have characters, objects, storylines, and settings all come from a specific world and fan participation in that world signifies interest and, in a way, free advertising. The difference here is that copyright infringement to make fanart is either neutral or beneficial to the company - Pikachu or Mario, for instance, are not likely to be attributed to anything other than Nintendo, regardless of who draws them.

Copyright infringement also happens on a much smaller scale, though. To use this as an example, Icee may be well-known on FA, but not by everyone, and certainly not by the internet at large. The artists she commissions may be less recognized than her. At the very least, not crediting Icee for the character design and artists for their work is insulting.
That is beside the point, however. Her characters are hers, and she has jurisdiction over them. The artist's work is the artist's, and they have jurisdiction over them.
In order to use images and characters, rights must be established. Without explicit confirmation of rights by the owners, people other than the owners do not have rights to use them.

If an artist leaves no signature or watermark, that does not mean they are interested in having their work spread around without credit.
An artist may not explicitly state that they don't want their artwork used, but if an artist has no explicit statement of permission, using their artwork is copyright infringement, whether maliciously or not.

I just want to say, I am impressed with your clear and concise responses. You have a very level head and a great deal of articulation skill.

I dunno, there's not a whole lot of rape victims walking away with millions of dollars from a victory in court, unlike some copyright violations cases I know of *cough cough* Apple vs Samsung *cough cough cough*.

Glad it made you laugh?

Because then people come to me assuming I was the one doing those actions and start to make me feel incredibly uncomfortable. I've also had friends who have attended conventions where strangers have straight up kissed them, assuming they had been the person they had been RPing with online.

I do not like it when people assume I am a cheap, easy e-fuck because someone else is whoring out my character...

Once again I am sorry and it your right to define what is yours, and if you say it as so then it is so. I do not wish you to be degraded or your work taken or name defamed I am simply trying to push my point on a hot topic.

Point dully noted then

I don't understand why you feel mad about people using your own personal art and characters, that represent you or your personal interests, that you paid good money for for yourself, and portraying themselves as you to get one on one frisky with strangers on the internet..!


Yeah, why do you feel mad, Icee??? I don't get it???????

Impatience on the n line seems to be pretty popular over there.

im not that popular among the furry community but i do know how upset i'd be if someone stole or used my sona for any reason. it's identity theft basically.

sorry to hear that Icee. >w< I just hope it's resolved soon.

is anything being done to stop those people?

ILU Icee, I'm sorry for stirring drama but I simply couldn't refrain from commenting.

You don't think me as someone who seeks harm, do you? That I would gain in upsetting people and frustrating them? That I would be malicious in my actions and careless?

I am very compassionate person, to a fault so and I get guilty quite easy.

I feel like I'm trying to express and opinion about the situation and now getting demonized.

What would that make me if I did not stand by what I thought was right? To give it up without fully investing a discussion into such a thing.

I do not mean to demonize you and hope that I have not been hurtful in my comments.
I think that you have an opinion about a practice because you see people doing it out of neutral or good intentions.
My point in commenting to you is that, regardless of good intentions or commonality, it still counts as a problematic practice, and I have attempted to explain why.

Can we end on a good note then? I feel we've explored this topic to it's length and I feel it would be good we let it end. You really are quite intelligent, but what I found more impressive was the speed of your responces at the same clarity.

I hope you have a good day, and that artist who work hard made rightfully claim the sweat of their brow and the dust of their stencil *Extends Handshake*

So glad to see that this has turned into a good discussion instead of a dramatic blow up

YOU TWO ARE AWESOME

<3

Also, I am sorry that I didn't say this in the first place - I'm so sorry that this keeps happening to you, especially now when it involves people coming directly from FA where there is no way they can possibly not know about your desires. You definitely don't deserve this.

Thank you dear <3 How have you been anyway? I haven't talked to you or Stormy in what feels like foreversies

=]
It has been forever (well at least for me), I'm sorry!
I have been not so fantastic to be honest, but I do have some good things happening and have been taking a break from school for my health which has been helping immensely by reducing stress. I also have good people around, and am appreciating having time free to be leisurely - both because I need to right now and because it's just nice to take things slowly.
I hope life is lovely for you, or becomes so at any rate.

Aww well I'm sorry to hear things haven't been so good but really glad to hear you have a wonderful support system helping keep you afloat! I think honestly everyone needs a break from life now and again to just breathe, get the things they really want to do out of their system, and enjoy life.

Now I'm blushing, I'm the one who started all this. I'm glad too, because it would have been upsetting for all parties.

I never did mention this, but it is a wonderful picture and it really is funny.

Of course! I didn't think you were being antagonistic, I thought you were just trying to explain your point of view, and in the same vein, I mine. I hope that I did not hurt you in any of my comments, and if I did I am sorry for that.

Thank you.
=]

At first I must admit it was my instinct to grow defensive but you were just as I expressing you point and view and have better me for that. I'll try and finish here, I fear it flooding her picture XD

Your welcome, sincerely so.

If it wasn't for the picture's description cutting off any laughter I had, I would've said this was the funniest pic I've seen in a long time.

It was fully intended to be humorous and I'm sorry the drama ruined the laughter for you

I'm sorry people are RPing with your character, pretending she's theirs. It's one thing to RP and using an established character as a place-holder... it's another to blatantly claim you created them.

But it is damn cute too. Cuteness of the pic isn't ruined.

what if the admins were the ones holding you by your will?

Then I'd be in a rather sticky situation

Ignorance and stupidity levels of some people are so damn high it's bloody unbelievable. I have seen some people that tried and failed (got reported and had accounts removed) at trying to steal other art work of multiple well known characters, thinking they could get away with it.

Little do they know that many people DO know who the actual characters and artists are.

Sure, if it's a mistake, then that's understandable. But, if it's blatant theft followed by a rude comment then blocking, then that person deserves a 2x4 broken across back of their heads. Buuuut, that's just my opinion.

Sorry you have to deal with this Icee, hope people will start to learn that if something is from the internet, it's not for free usage. 'Specially if it's art commissioned by other people.

He has such good art!
He really made your char look beautiful :D

D: I know your feel =/

Seems quite a few people are victims of this and believe to know me/my characters but in the end they aren't and are just having fun with a person with no respect for the original designers/owners... That's a bit of a shame.

I think it's incredibly rude and disrespectful to the characters owner.

lol did facebook do it again?

Twice in one day really... what pissed me off more was knowing they were ripping them directly from my FA instead of the most who usually find them on e621 or other image boards where they cannot see my "DO NOT REPOST" comments. They had images that haven't been reposted to image boards (to my knowledge) so the fact that I could tell they were coming direct to my gallery to steal art of her just really rubbed me wrong... :C

well it looks like you might have a better chance of fixing that problem seeing as you added the slightly invisible this is property of icee watermarking :3 best of luck dear

Honestly, they just steal the watermarked ones too which is funny...

It's a double bladed sword too... people now know where the real Icee is and who she belongs to... but then they also now have a direct link to where all art of her is posted... bleh.

I really sorry to hear that. I know I would be all at their throats if someone stole my Viken

Gosh I know. Sometimes I wish I had made Icee a little more ugly LOL. Maybe I'll start having her drawn with a giant hairy mole on her face

c.c I know this feeling all to well.
Love the piece though x3
Icee is always so gorgeous ^^
♥

Ahh yeah :C I see your art being tossed around a lot too dear. Do you want me to notify you when I come across it?

If you could take the time to, I would absolutely appreciate that. <3
Obviously I'd pass the same info to you as well.

Sure thing dear!

I love the character and the arts and whatnot, and i could only image the annoyance of somebody using a character without your notice in RP's and chats.

You aren't the only one I've heard of having their characters stolen for someone's personal fucks. Its really sad. :P

Icee, your character is so beautiful. I love it's design.

Ah yes. If only we lived in a world where people couldn't use other people's characters for their own devices... About half of the furry fandom wouldn't exist! Say goodbye to the Pokemons and the Digimons, the My Little Ponies and the Sonics. Gosh, such a glorious Internet it would be...

Amen to that with random recolros etc, people could make standalone characters that are original

Well it's one thing to make a fan character based off of a cartoon you love... and it's sort of also different to be using a commercialized character too... that I don't find AS annoying although I'm sure it still sucks as the creator to find people doing that with the character you made. It's just... ugh... the people who take the personal characters of just people like me... people who made these characters for their own personal RPs and use... I'm not some multimillionaire making a profit off of Icee who brought her around for some game or some show for fans... I brought her into this world for MY personal enjoyment... anyway I'll stop rambling now :x

I understand, but the line isn't as clear as we'd like to make it out. Consider how Disney recently revealed their slight redesign for the girl from Brave that they were going to base their dolls and merchandise off of, and the creator - yes, the sole writer and creator of the character, despite it being a multimillion dollar movie - freaked out and started writing angry blog posts about them ruining her character and destroying what she was supposed to stand for.

All of us artists and writers, we're all people, whether we pour our hearts into one character in a fanfic and an online art gallery, or into a story that will be animated and shown in theaters. Of course a creator like her has a tangible reason to be upset, because the redesign could ostensibly affect people in the mainstream in negative ways counter to her vision, but I bet most of her reactions were purely emotional, purely because they made her character into something that she wasn't supposed to be.

The only real difference between that, and people roleplaying and drawing porn of existing characters in the furry fandom, is whether the creator knows about it, and wants to know about it, I think creators behind popular content know to keep one eye closed and look firmly in the other direction, because of course the Internet's going to do what it always does. I think it would benefit many of us "private" creators to adopt the same mindset. This shit happens. It will always happen. You can choose to distance yourself from it, or you can willingly be part of it. Just know that interaction usually encourages, and if you can't stand the heat, it can be smarter to walk away than to keep stoking the fire.

Thank you dear

I usually do just report and walk away but for some reason this particular circumstance bothered me. I guess I just keep believing that people should be intelligent and respectful and keep getting let down when they aren't.

Yeah... I do a lot of that, myself... Best of luck.

People are just lazy in trying to make up a character description, or really do not care that characters do belong to their creators. Sorry that others are taking your character as their own. I hope that this stops, but it probably will not.

Yeah it would be very unrealistic to think that me posting things like this for the nth time will make it stop. I just wish it was more of a case of honest mistakes instead of a more malicious "ripping direct from my page." I can deal with mistakes... everyone makes them. Those who have used Icee and have honestly admitted they didn't know and removed the images and apologized to me get gold stars in my book... the rest who have told me to fuck off really need to just learn the golden rule and how to be decent human beings...

I feel your pain. Sadly, being only a writer my characters are not stolen since I have no pretty pictures. I wish you the best of luck and hope your endeavor pays off and Icee belongs only to you.

I have never had this happen to me but how to you even check to see if some one is doing this

Well I have a lot of fans who use RP sites and Facebook who alert me when they see other people using my character... It's very sweet of them to do so and I appreciate it greatly! It's not a case of us going out with the intent of finding these people so much as my friends and fans stumble upon them when they are off using these websites for their own personal use

I see I don't think I have any real fans so don't know if someone might have tried to take Dantee it makes me sad that this actually happens

I seriously want that shirt now. However coming from an flist user as well it does sadden me to find that people randomly gank pictures from various art sites and say "dis be my churacter" and get pissed off when they are told to either credit the artist or take it down. I speak from experience as I have had a few pictures I have comisisoned in the past used without my consent. Two of them took them down when I asked them to and I gave them permisison to use lesser quality images of my chars instead which did mend some fences. Others were less then cooperative and I got the admins involved, worked fast especially when I showed said admin the wips I had which were all dated.
Long story short when people gank images without asking and artist take umbrage it sucks to see it. More so, it sucks when people using said images get angry and block the artist. Things like this do happen and you can't do much other then try the velvet glove and then use the iron fist if all else fails.

Yeah. I ended up getting a verified F-list account just to expedite the process of having my stolen images removed. I don't publicly share my fetishes so the account is honestly empty but the admins there have been incredibly sweet and cooperative about dealing with the people who tell me to fuck off.

Oh yeah trust me the admins and mods there will help out, hell some are here on furaffinity as well and simply noting them here allows them to do what they need to do quickly and effectively. AS for thsoe who told you to piss off...well they can get suspended if not banned for that Xp So no circle jerks for them after that

Well, If you don't want your character to be used this way you probably shouldn't been posting art with her at all (especially naughty ones). Thats a backside of a publicly. You must either close your eyes on those poor people that can't create/draw/(buy?) their own character or don't post art at all.
Besides, there is no reason to worry about it. No sane people will judge your character by someones perverted fantasies.

That makes absolutely no sense dear.

You are telling me that by posting my character, it's okay for people to steal her. It's not.

That's like saying "That girl deserved to get raped because she was wearing a provocative dress" or "That girl was asking to be made fun of for wearing that shirt that nobody else likes"


I post the artwork to share with friends and fans who enjoy good artwork and to help get more business for the wonderful artists who drew the images for me. If we go by your rule of "don't post it if you don't want it to get stolen", all of the artists who make a livelihood on the internet would be completely out of business.

It isn't right for you to say "you shouldn't do that" because a couple of bad apples are ruining it for everyone...

And yes. They have and they will. I have had people send me notes about "RP's they had with 'me' last night" and it was very, very unsettling to have them thinking I was doing that sort of thing with them when I was not...

Imaginative characters isn't real. You cant "rape" them. It's like complaining that someone imagined you naked.
And technically it isn't stealing. They don't use someones art to earn money neither claim it as their. Actually someone can even discover the artist through them.
You saying that you like when people enjoy your artworks. RP is just a one strange way for someone to do it.

They cannot discover artists if many of these people do not credit the artists or even lie about drawing it themselves... And there is a difference between appreciating art and using it to pretend to be the character/owner of the character online. I have asked that people not do it. End of story. It doesn't matter whether you think it's okay or not because I have asked it not be done.

Lovely!

sad, but it happens.

good drawing tho.
did you make it?
do more!

I did not!  strype did

i see. good art nontheless.
what's the story behind it, if i may ask? it seems like some ''art fiction'' and drama lurked behind it.
hmm

People are constantly jacking images of my character and using them on places like F-list, RPHaven, Facebook, etc. for their own personal RPs. And I do not allow that... so this image is a jest at everyone who does so...

Yeaaaaaaa, it freaks me out thinking of the people that want to "do" my characters. I figure I can't really stop them, and it freaks me out and kind of makes me sick inside. But, I also try to think of it as words on computer screen. They can't really hurt me unless I let them, in essence.

Still, retards.

That's gonna be tough luck because the admins don't care who's character you use as long as they are not on the website already. Even then half the time they don't care. It's best if you'd taken this up in a polite form with the individual who is using your image and they will remove it no questions asked. Advertising it in this way seems a bit frivolous and, honestly, pretty smug.

Honestly, I've found discussing it with the offending person is worse... most of the time I get met with insults and get blocked because most of these are taking my images maliciously. Many of the admins on the various websites I have found her on have been actually incredibly helpful! There have only been a few circumstances where I have been unable to get their help due to language barriers or a lack of a way to file a ticket. Facebook removes my DCMA's usually within 24 hours as does F-list.

I'm sorry you feel I'm being frivolous and smug. I am exhausted of dealing with the people who have taken and used my character and this is my way to vent that. If you don't like it, don't look.

Well, experiences differ, I guess. I, for one, would see such an act as flattery. I've actually experienced some RPs that used other characters and start tight-bonded friendships once the topic is bought up by the OC's owner. They are surprisingly polite in some instances. A pity that you had to get the bad apples, but like I said: Experiences differ.

i like your point.
solving those issues the polite and civilised way, is the best method of solving those problems, and if all fails, then the report to an admin might help resolve the situation(tho, i wouldnt advice it)
you see, civilised actions are the one thing that seperates us from animals.

...oh.
lol jk

but seriously, you get the point, drama is useless, because only a polite and direct approach may help an artist to ''free'' his/her character from a ''fictional misused'' case. the rest would only end up in huge drama.

Same thing happened to me, too. Haha.

I RECKON IT'S THE SAME PERSON. Wanna share details through notes?

"I RECKON IT'S THE SAME PERSON."

In this case it was actually two people yesterday and more get added to the list by the day. I can let you know via note who the two were this time but with how often I encounter my stolen character, I dunno if I can really say "OMG ITS THAT ONE PERSON" because they're all over

YEAH WELL I'M A FURRY. DON'T LIKE ME? FUCK OFF! HEART HEART PAW PRINT YIFF YAFF!!!!!1

Yup, I completely understand how you feel, more than you know. xD This is an excellent shirt!

Sexy way to create awareness!

I understand the feeling. I haven't had that happened to me before but I have used someone else's art with out asking them on f-list of all places. just to convey way they looked like but I was soon noted and got ride of the picture and heavily apologized. then after some talking we actually became friends and role played together. And if i reconize some people using art that my friend's have commissioned and have worked hard to get it then I tell the person who's art is being used which usually happens on f-list and usually the person i saw young it takes the pictures down or a hassle happens. And i do ask if i know if person who owns the picture or the artist that has drawn it if I know by looking where it came from. But usually they are just place holders for when i get the art commissioned and then I'll replace it. or just get rid of the character if reallyy I don't want it. But this is a good way to set awerness out there and hopefully people get a lot smarter.

I think Its wrong they know what they are doing is wrong to because if you go to google click on the photo with your sona it could lead you to the places were your page or what ever you may call it or the page of the artist and on the bottom it may say "DO NOT REPOST" Now If who ever is using he/she's phone and look up icee they do not have to click it puts a little saying on the bottom talking about the site your sona is found on who the artist is and what he or she says about. and it could have the water mark etc. Sooo with out being said they know they are taking your art. I have sitting here on my laptop and phone long enough to understand how that works. I only know a few ways that may help you could at the bottom but a little saying that says "do not repost" on ALL your art or you could stop... but DONT LET THEM WIN...SO DONT STOP... or she could be used on only a few sites and take the pics of her off of google... if you can do that that is.. and because you don't have a facebook like you said you can use your friends to help out. or like If you mate has one look up your sonas name and see what pops up.. but you don't have to if you don't want...

I have absolutely no control over what shows up on google and putting "DO NOT REPOST" on all of the old images won't help any as people have the ones already that don't have that on. There's honestly not a whole lot I can do about it other than reporting it and filing to get it taken down when I can

but the ones that don't I am sure you can put that "DO NOT REPOST" but then again the reporting still helps. But I am Still happy to help you get back your art and I know your friends art too

Haha the funny part is... I've had people post images that have a watermark saying "DO NOT POST TO FACEBOOK" on Facebook... but at least I think that helps show the people who find that that they aren't the true owner of Icee. Oh well. I guess I just can't win sometimes...

No I think you can If its your art like really don't let them win.. even if you have to make a video about it many people have the same issue. To me I think it would be a better sweet feeling... But that's not my point. They know Its wrong and real furries would never do that. They would most likely have their own art for their own uses. But to take some's art just to fuck with it. What if some fur uses your art for rp yiff and you go to a con and some one thinks that was you rp yiffing them that would piss you and you mate off. That's why you should never let them win...

That reason you just cited is exactly why I do not allow other people to use my character or post images of her. I've had friends who have had to deal with that... while most aren't bothered and find it flattering for people to take and use their character, I am more afraid of situations like you just mentioned. I already get people sending me terrible notes because of what others do with Icee so I'd hate to have this go any further.

Well deep down I know the people who use her really like her but they really should have asked even if its a no.. and if you did happen to say yes that person should respect your sona as if it was you. but we all know you would not yes because people would go and do what ever nasty shit they feel like doing.. But it could have been worse they could have lied said that ice was their sona AND make porn of her that you never knew about till some one tells you.

I have no intent on doing as such with anyone's characters without permission and with me its "I can think of your character in an RP but Its not right to actually use it" Besides I would actually have to RP with you to even know what and how your OC does and reacts like. I would rather leave the OC to the creater and be done with it. I do agree with this pic and I think you did the right choice.

What retard would ever think that posing as someone else is okay? Gosh.

You go girl I am all for supporting you when I can! Let me know what I can do and I'll be there you know I will! <3 Let me know who's asses I need to kick!

I think this post sparked a lot of good discussion, hopefully opened a few eyes. Unfortunately there will always be folks who say things like "I'd be flattered, I don't know why this bothers you" or "if you post things that provocative this will happen" either they can't or won't empathize.

I hope to see these shirts around, I hope it raises awareness about this sort of unacceptable behavior.
Good luck!

Thank you so much dear
I really appreciate it

I love the image, Icee looks really great in this pic. Strype did an amazing job on her.
Love the shirt as well, too bad they don't ship to Norway. >: I should get myself one of these.

I know very well the fact of character theft, especially on facebook.. god damn. I had to laugh a bit at e621's comments on this pic though.

I was going to say - I recognize that picture in your icon because I've seen it on Facebook on some of the accounts that stole Icee

If you end up not being able to find a way to want one and you REALLLY REALLLY want one and are willing to pay the extra cost, I would always be willing to snatch one up for you and then reship it to Norway!

Hah, no wonder. The latest person I've seen using my character for yiffy stuffs was just hours ago. Sigh.
WHY CAN'T PEOPLE STOP USING OTHERS CHARACTERS TO GET /LAID/ ON THE INTERNET ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

That would be awesome. XD
I need to look at my finances though and see if I can make it fit in there somehow!

People used to take and roleplay as one of my characters, Rensis/Sysko, back in the day. Not really sure if it still happens anymore. The only real issue I had with it was the fact that other people would think it was me when they saw the character being used.
I guess it's just become kind of acceptable because so many people use trademarked characters to roleplay. I'm not saying of course it's 'right', but that more people tolerate it. I apologize for rambling a bit. ><

I haven't seen him around so I think you're good now... and yes, that is my exact issue with finding people parading around with Icee - other people thinking it's me and the "impostor" of sorts giving them a horrible and often very very wrong impression of my character/myself.

Oh man, yeah. I'd go to conventions and people would think I was some kind of drug addicted serial rapist. ._.

LOL Oh god.

Which. I mean. Is only have true.
Bunch of jerks.

she is very gorrges i will do what i can to help

Um... hello everyone. I believe that Icee might recognize me. I am one of the - or the, I don't know - F-list user(s) that had been using Icee's pictures around a month ago.

I would like to clear some air on the issue. I have never had a FurAffinity account before this, and as such had never seen, nor even heard of, Icee's stance on using her images. I was not aware how much it annoyed/aggravated her, and I would like it to be known I have since apologized profusely and agreed to not use her images. I, personally, am sorry the issue ever came up.

I would also like to to be known that unlike some of the Facebook accounts I've heard of from reading this, I never once claimed to be Icee, and tried to make it clear I was simply trying to use her likeness and the artist's work as a reference - she had been the closest to my actual character I had ever seen, and sadly, I didn't have the money or connections to ask for a commission from an artist :l Once again, I apologize, and realize my error.

Anyway, bit of a long post, but... ahm... yeah. -rubs neck sheepishly- I do hope there are no hard feelings over this. This image... well, it did hurt my feelings a bit if it was directed towards me. Aside from that, I can support it, now that I know Icee's stance on the issue.

It was not directed towards you nor was it directed towards anyone who indeed made an honest mistake like you did. This is more directed to the people who intentionally steal from me or tell me to fuck off etc. when I ask politely for them to remove my content. We made our peace so you don't need to worry dear

Good to hear ^.^ I mostly made that post so your fans and watchers and whatnot could understand what had happened between us :3 Thank you for the assurance.

It's interesting how misrepresented the other side of the coin seems to be in the situation regarding the image, as well as how a blanket accusation has been thrown over the RP communities with this image and the comments surrounding it. One has to question why there have been no distinguishing remarks on the difference between "thieves" and "role players" as both seem to be under the same banner in the eyes of the commenters, creator, and property holder. What I think I've gleaned from carefully observing this thread and the threads it's spurred since its post date goes thus:

"Thief" in this case refers to someone who is impersonating Icee and/or attempting to claim the images in question as either 1. Works of their own or 2. Works they had commissioned personally instead of giving due credit to Icee as the property holder and/or the artist commissioned. Your problem with them is obviously because of stolen identity and just being general d-bags about it, yes?

"Role Player" in this case refers to someone utilizing the images in question as an image for reference purposes to a character they were trying to create. Your problem with them is that they utilize the images as reference pieces without asking permission, yes?

I'm just a little confused on the ideas behind the image and campaign in play here, as it seems like role players are being vilified for following what has become expected convention.

I am not trying to vilify RPers here and this image was not intended to be a "campaign." It was intended as a humorous nod to how often I have had to file DCMAs against people using Icee or images of Icee without my permission although it did quickly get a little out of hand in some of the comments.

Some of the people were naïve in knowing that I did not wish for Icee to be reposted. This image was not intended to be a commentary on them. People make mistakes and I have even become friends with a few who have messaged me to apologize for having not known. Most, in my experience, have intentionally and blatantly taken the images of my character for their personal use, whether it be simply to make a new character to fit my images or whether it be taking my character, name and all. Those are people I consider thieves.

The number of people who have blatantly used my images/character has severely overshadowed the number of those who have done so not knowing I did not allow it and perhaps that is why the weight has been more towards the negative in my comments on it. I have found people going as far as photoshopping out my watermarks in the images that had them. I have found people posting images WITH my watermarks that blatantly say "DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE." At one point in time, I used to politely message the users and ask them to remove my images and more often than not, I was met with "Fuck you. I found it on the internet" or "It was on google/some image board so it's okay for me to use it how I want" and even "This is my character because I found her first." Given the rare number of times I was met with apologies or people actually respecting my request and removing the image, I have defaulted to no longer messaging users and simply quietly filing DCMAs against them. Many of my friends and watchers, however, HAVE continued to message these users when they run into them and as I found personally, more often than not, they have told me they are met with incredible rudeness and are often blocked despite having asked in a non offending or confronting way to take down the images I have requested not be reposted.

As I mentioned before, this image was not intended to be a crusade and it was not intended to vilify RPers. I realize that, as with anything, there are good apples and bad apples in the bunch and I should hope that the number of good apples in the furry RP community outweighs my experience in being directed to the bad apples. I wouldn't honestly know as I really do not care to be involved with RPing in these communities myself. I may have come off as a bit "crusadey" in my responses to some of the comments due to my frustration in the many encounters I have had with bad apples but the original intention of the image was simply to turn an ongoing frustration into light hearted humor.

I guess many people missed this point and I should have been more clear of that instead of jumping to respond in a more serious light.

Oh, that makes more sense. I may have been projecting many of Strype's written gripes in with your own on the matter, as he seems to have a much more vocal take on it and his commenters are thrice as bad with generalizing it all. Most in these two threads seem to just assume the players in the RP community actively look to "steal all the arts" and are horrible terrible scum for not having the artistic ability or money/connections to get a piece done for a character they've made that they don't universally associate themselves with.

I have to wonder though... why even ask them to take it down if they have no choice in the matter? They can not say "No" to you; was there a specific reason to open yourself up as a target to their frustration over being made to change their profiles?

It used to be something out of politeness and assuming they had made the mistake of not knowing I didn't allow it. Same reason you would go ask a noisy neighbor if they could quiet down before you call the police station. It's the right thing to do and if you can handle it peaceably between the two of you, there is no need to waste the time with the authorities. In the end, if they are still disturbing the peace, you call the police and they have to be quiet anyway. Same in this situation. I used to ask out of politeness hoping that the issue could be settled peaceably between two intelligible people. Due to a vast majority of the cases meeting me back with immaturity, I decided that I should no longer waste my time in attempting to be polite.

In many cases, the source of their frustration comes from being told they cannot use something when they feel entitled to it. It is rare that the frustration is due to my lack of messaging them politely and is usually resolved when they contact me to ask me why I have filed the DCMA against them. In those situations, I have apologized for my lack of contact and express exactly what I have just told you now - that I find it less stressful on the whole now to just avoid messaging as it often leads to nastiness and many of them have been more than understanding of why I chose to now do things this way. What my friends/watchers do with regards to messaging them is not a decision I have made. Unless I feel something needs to be said to them that I cannot tell them personally, I do not ask my watchers/friends to contact these people anymore and have often explicitly asked for them not to make any contact. Admittedly, back when this was a new experience to me, I did at one point call out the pitchforks and torches but have since learned that this is a wholly inappropriate way to handle the situations and have moved on from that. I am not sure what other frustrations you might be speaking of so hopefully that answered your question...

I did not intend for this image or any other to be "opening myself up as a target." I am simply trying to deal with this the best I can and sometimes my frustration runs a little high. In this situation, I thought a little laugh might help but as many have missed that point, I could have definitely handled this case a little better or been more conscious in my commentary and kept it lighthearted and humorous to match the intention of the image. I am a human with emotions just like everyone else and sometimes I do not make the best decisions in handling them.

Hopefully that further clarifies for you

Very much so, thank you, that expresses your stance far better than any other reply I've seen. :3

And the other things I was referring to were from Strype's upload of the same image, which provokes more raised eyebrows with the none-too-subtle title, "Tard Bait" he's given your commission and the slew of commenters blindly raging about the denizens of F-List... http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10820571/ While F-List is by no means a clean place, it does not deserve the blanket connotation of "everyone's a thief trying to impersonate artists!" there.

In his defense, the number of times I have come across people inappropriately using his art there has been incredibly high... and he not only has to worry about his artwork because he drew it... but also because he has to worry about helping to protect the people who have paid him to draw said artwork. Many of his clients are not happy about having their character's images used for such purposes like me and he is simply trying to protect those people along with protecting the art he toiled over. He may not have worded things in the clearest light either as I know he also realizes that not everyone on F-list is a bad apple but I know he also feels the stress of having this be an all too common occurrence. I guess for people who do not actively use websites like that, it is easy for us to talk about them in a negative fashion because almost all of our interactions with those sites are based around negative circumstances. If we actively used those websites for personal use rather than to simply file reports against images used without permission, I am certain we would have more positive light to share as we would be around to experience the positive side of the website. I guess in summary, we do not always bring F-list up with negativity because we believe everyone on that website is bad and out to get us... we simply do not have any positive experiences to share and discuss because we do not use the website for anything other than handling negative situations brought to our attention. I hope that makes sense?

It does, though things work in a very specific way there and it's a similar case to places like Furcadia (and others, I'd assume). It's impractical for many users to go out of their way to draw or commission for individual pieces for characters they create as many have a terminal life span that only lasts as long as their interest. Someone that you may have spoken to one day could just up and delete their character a week later only to reroll anew. Depending on the complexity or archetype of the new character, visual reference is usually used, obviously resulting in many of the situations you've seen. Using things like Second Life screenshots are considered tasteless and having no visual reference whatsoever can get you treated as second rate or give the notion of simply not trying, regardless of how creative or interesting you may be otherwise. That is what I meant by "expected convention."

To my experience, I've never seen someone go out of their way to be a bastard to an artist or impersonate someone's persona, and many are quick to bend a knee with an offer to remove references upon request, but then none of my art actually ends up there, to my knowledge, so I can't really put myself in your shoes.

Well thank you so much for the intelligent conversation on this! It's really refreshing to talk about this and not feel like I am being attacked in my decision and that perhaps we are able to both understand each others' viewpoints in what we had to say. I really appreciate it!

\o/ It's all I wanted. I'd actually never heard of you until after I had this drawing linked to me; the watermarks are a good idea.

Oh I know the feeling Icee, on multiple occasions my fursona has been used on multiple different sites. Its always the same pic too, my ID pic.

Uhhg so I am right there with you, it is quite frustrating.

~'Lijah

this may come very late but nice way of displaying that to the viewers and others ^^"

Is this why you requested that all art with your character in it be removed from e621?

One of many reasons, yes.

Oh, ok. I still can't believe someone would steal a character and claim it as their own... Even when there are obvious watermarks stating that it isn't their character....

you and me both...

I have not had issues like that for I have no real skill in drawing, my friend however has. He creates Fractal art style pictures, alas he's unknown but we find his works out there he was first passionate about nabbing the thieves but eventually had given up. He tells me "I know that I created them and Karma will come back three fold upon them for they know what they have done was wrong." I must say that I did download the picture but had no intention of re-posting. I read all the posts and learned much I deleted it from computer. Much sorrow I feel for not asking first. I don't know really what I'm trying to converse. I guess in short, I collect art that I like but do not claim as my own.

Truly sorry ~Voldalski

I have no problems with people who want to save this to their computer to look at it for their personal use! It's the people who take it and claim they drew it or claim that my character belongs to them that bother me... because they are taking advantage of the artists and they are taking advantage of me as the person who has paid for this piece to be created. All I ask is for respect. You are respecting me by admiring and enjoying the artwork that I've paid for my character to be in. Those who steal it and claim they drew it or claim the character is theirs are not respecting me. Hopefully that makes sense! Cheers!

Makes perfect sense. Many thanks for not being upset with me for not asking first before I downloaded it.

Hello, i just wanted to join this conversation (bit late to the party but oh well lol) first i just want to say anything i say beyond this point isn't necessarily aimed at you but just anyone in general who reads this. i agree that we should look down upon anyone who claims ownership of something that isn't theirs or who impersonates people. but i saw someone in the comments say something along the lines of "if you post something on the internet then you forfeit your rights to it" well i would like to argue that you (the inventor) don't/shouldn't have any rights to it in the first place (other than financial rights like selling it and being able to choose what is and isn't canon about whatever you create). to assume the human race has 1 set of rules/laws is wrong. i'll try and make myself a little more clear.. . as far as nature/life/theuniverse is concerned, neither YOU nor ANYONE ELSE have ANY rights to anything, there are no real rules, you can do whatever you want. i would also like to say that the internet is and SHOULD ALWAYS BE a free state, THIS IS NOT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS IS THE INTERNET, and i don't think the internet should ever be dictated by the laws of any country. so while you may choose to go along with with laws as dictated by the humans that run your country, you should remember that those rules/laws should only apply in said country, and that if you for example go into outer space THERE ARE NO RULES/LAWS there, and the internet should be seen in the exact same way. now technically from what i said that means you also don't have the financial rights to things you create, but i will agree with other humans that you should have the financial rights of things you create, because without THAT the world would fall apart. now i don't exactly know what this F-list thing people are talking about is (because in all honesty i'm not actually a furry) but what i think is as follows. people can roleplay or pretend to have sex as your character if they want, regardless of whether or not you like it, because its none of your business what they do UNLESS they are claiming that they own your character or are trying to impersonate you or make money from it. and if people are going to roleplay as your character they should note on their profile that they are not the owner/creator of said character. and maybe the artists (assuming they so badly want acknowledgement) should put their watermark/name over the face on their character so even if someone does crop it to use as a profile picture or whatever, people can still see who made the character. and as to the strangers that come up to you at cons well, guess artists cant really do much about that other than noting on your profile that you don't RP and that anyone RPing as your characters isn't you, and hoping that people who roleplay as your characters will note on THEIR profile that they are not the owner of the character they are rping as. and while i am not an artist myself, even if i was and even if i had my own characters, i would still stick by what i said, where the artist has no right to dictate what other people can do with their character other than financial stuff. (i stand by this now and in the future should i ever create things). in short: equal rights for all, and the internet is a free state.

lol i remember seeing when it was posted but i just saw this again on an episode of PewDiePie where he get's hate comments and one user was using this as their youtube account pic so it reminded me of it

you can see it on 3:26 of this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5163pfq4xAg

it's an old episode of Pewdie from May of last year but just thought you should know :3

Thanks for letting me know! Sucks to have people spoiling my image and the image of furries in general by spreading hate like that but I guess it's just too late in the game to do anything about this one... I appreciate your heads up nevertheless! If I see that account parading around with my image again, I'll make sure to get it taken care of <3

lol no problem x3

Gawd some people are just lazy fucks and things arnt they?

Yay, you're the character from the cute pic I found on twitter! Since I knew it was from Strype, since it's impossible not to know from his art style, I asked him about it, so now I found both.

I'm sorry this has become such an issue for you. I am right there with you ^^ sorry if this discussion has gone off for some time. I'm just now discovering your channel. Cute puppy btw

It's honestly one of the reasons I chose not to actively participate in the community anymore, unfortunately. I check in every couple of months but haven't commissioned new artwork in years and have largely parted ways with many of the people I associated with.

Sad but c'est la vie!

Thank you for enjoying my character and Happy Thanksgiving!

This might be an old image, but the subject matter is still an issue going on and seriously needs to stop. 5 months of using Twitter to this day and I have constantly seen tweets about it at random, and now has me questioning how many I have followed that's not canon.

Now that I addressed that, love the image and love the shirt.