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I'm Karno. I've been around long enough to know better, but I do this stuff anyway, because it's fun. Why hang around on this mudball if you're not having any fun? So enjoy my stuff, and show me yours. Fair trade, yes?
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New and exciting! (G)
22 hours ago
So there's this "Voice in the Wilderness" who claims Fascism is already here, and asks how we're going to deal with it:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20.....ess-rate-is-0?
But this is not as simple as Germany and/or Italy in the 1930's:
"The pattern is so consistent it's almost funny if it weren't so terrifying. Every single time it goes like this: Conservatives panic about socialism or progressives or whatever. They ally with fascists as the "lesser evil." Fascists take power. Fascists immediately purge the conservatives who helped them. Then it's 30-50 years of dictatorship. This happened in Germany, Italy, Spain, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Portugal, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary.
Want to know how many times conservatives successfully "controlled" the fascists they allied with? Zero. Want to know how many times fascists purged the conservatives after taking power? All of them. Every single time.
And here's the part that breaks your heart. Violence works. For them. Fascists use violence while claiming to be victims. They create chaos that "requires" their authoritarian solution. Then they purge anyone who opposes them. Meanwhile, democrats keep insisting on following rules that fascists completely ignore. They file lawsuits. They write editorials. They vote on resolutions. And fascists just laugh and keep consolidating power.
The statistics are brutal. Fascist takeovers prevented after winning power democratically: zero. Average length of fascist rule once established: 31 years. Fascist regimes removed by voting: zero. Fascist regimes removed by asking nicely: zero. Most were removed by war or military coups, and tens of millions died in the process.
....Based on the historical record, there are exactly three ways this goes. Option one: Stop them before they take power. Option two: War. Option three: Wait for them to die of old age.
But here's the thing: we already missed our chance. The window isn't closing; it's closed."
....But then he goes on to say how a nuclear-armed country going fascist, whose economic engines are all in progressive states, is unprecedented: We're unique in history, and don't have to re-enact the tired old tragedy that always follows fascist takeovers.
Whether this is a good or bad thing, I suspect, is entirely up to us. Hope you're feeling brave, for the Interesting Times are ramping up.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20.....ess-rate-is-0?
But this is not as simple as Germany and/or Italy in the 1930's:
"The pattern is so consistent it's almost funny if it weren't so terrifying. Every single time it goes like this: Conservatives panic about socialism or progressives or whatever. They ally with fascists as the "lesser evil." Fascists take power. Fascists immediately purge the conservatives who helped them. Then it's 30-50 years of dictatorship. This happened in Germany, Italy, Spain, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Portugal, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary.
Want to know how many times conservatives successfully "controlled" the fascists they allied with? Zero. Want to know how many times fascists purged the conservatives after taking power? All of them. Every single time.
And here's the part that breaks your heart. Violence works. For them. Fascists use violence while claiming to be victims. They create chaos that "requires" their authoritarian solution. Then they purge anyone who opposes them. Meanwhile, democrats keep insisting on following rules that fascists completely ignore. They file lawsuits. They write editorials. They vote on resolutions. And fascists just laugh and keep consolidating power.
The statistics are brutal. Fascist takeovers prevented after winning power democratically: zero. Average length of fascist rule once established: 31 years. Fascist regimes removed by voting: zero. Fascist regimes removed by asking nicely: zero. Most were removed by war or military coups, and tens of millions died in the process.
....Based on the historical record, there are exactly three ways this goes. Option one: Stop them before they take power. Option two: War. Option three: Wait for them to die of old age.
But here's the thing: we already missed our chance. The window isn't closing; it's closed."
....But then he goes on to say how a nuclear-armed country going fascist, whose economic engines are all in progressive states, is unprecedented: We're unique in history, and don't have to re-enact the tired old tragedy that always follows fascist takeovers.
Whether this is a good or bad thing, I suspect, is entirely up to us. Hope you're feeling brave, for the Interesting Times are ramping up.
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