Should LGBT+ people have civil rights?
6 years ago
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That's a question the Supreme Court of the United States is about to answer for us. The Trump administration is of the opinion that LGBT+ people are not protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If the court (currently with a 5-4 conservative majority) agrees with that assessment, businesses will be able to fire LGBT+ workers simply because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
This CAN NOT be allowed to stand. I call on everyone to contact their politicians and insist that they push for Civil Rights protections for all. Even if that means they need to make a new law specifically naming LGBT+ as protected workers entitled to the same rights as everybody else.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/.....employees.html
This CAN NOT be allowed to stand. I call on everyone to contact their politicians and insist that they push for Civil Rights protections for all. Even if that means they need to make a new law specifically naming LGBT+ as protected workers entitled to the same rights as everybody else.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/.....employees.html
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Interesting fact, the president of America is not allowed to own a company, he can't be CEO of anything. So he is basically fired from all jobs once he became president. There might be something we could do if we could prove he is still on staff on any other jobs.
At this point, we're just fighting an endless war, the people who keep pushing for taking away rights should just be shot so we can stop the fighting. I'm quite frankly tired of it at this point. Its just getting old that we keep having to deal with this bullshit. Even worse, we keep creating new worse things now with all this "equality" crap, millennial who grow up thinking they have the right to everything without having the skills to do it. Thinking that equality means 50% of their gender in every work place. God I've seen some highly retarded millennials that give the LGBT community a bad name.
-Trump has proven himself to be the worst person on Earth numerous times. Doesn't seem to phase him.
-He only has one company, the Trump Organization, which he is still the primary shareholder of. It's a private business, not publicly traded, so there's no board of directors or shareholders to reign him in. He left his kids temporarily in charge, but he goes back to being CEO as soon as he's out of the White House.
-The president is allowed to own companies. Precedent has been to put those companies in a blind trust while in office, but precedent isn't binding and Donald Trump didn't care, so he did whatever he pleased and nobody touched him.
-This "equality crap" as you put it is just people who want the ability to work and want to outlaw discriminatory hiring practices.
-Nobody who anyone is taking seriously believes that people should get jobs they're not qualified for. Where do you get this crap?
I'm for equality, but you can't force yourself into jobs. Equal Opportunity is equality. Regardless of what gender, race, orientation, anything, you are, you should be able to apply for any job and have an equal chance of getting that job based upon your skills among-st the other candidates. You should not get a job just because you're a trans and they have no trans employees.
If the work force is 90% male, and there is one empty slot with 3 potentials that just applied, which do yo choose?
Male with all the qualifications to do the job including the required strength to lift the heavy materials and the skills to operate all the machinery?
Female with most of the qualifications to do the job, can lift moderately heavy objects and can operate most of the machinery?
Trans-Female who can't lift much, doesn't know any of the machinery, but threatens to sue for sexism if you don't hire her?
I didn't want to do a bigger example, but I've asked this question before among-st some of the SJW I've argued with and they usually chose the lesser qualified people simply because "train them on the job". They'd call bullshit if I used "Ok, so the Trans-Female got morally outraged that a man offered to lift the heavy package for her and she lifted it herself, dropped it and it rolled down the stairs and landed on the assembly line, destroying the primary machine before anyone could stop it costing the company $650,000 almost bankrupting the company." or some other similar situation that I'd come up with to explain why you can't just hire bad candidates to meet gender quotas.
I do dislike the president, he's a moron, and disagree with him trying to take away gay rights again. However this is a battle that will never end and its quite frankly getting tiring. Its also discouraging when all the campaigns to fight for gay rights beg you for money even more than those commercials who show starving nearly dead kids or animals and ask you for donations. Its just getting hard to stay motivated to fight this when it will never end. Especially when you're called a racist, sexist white male because you down vote a movie. "I don't like this movie, it treats men like shit." -You fucking racist sexist white man fuck you- *comment banned deleted and purged from the internet* (this is in reference to the fact that the people you fight for, hate you.)
A company shouldn't care that you are LGBT+ It should care that you are capable of doing the job. If I found out I was hired because I filled the LGBT+ demographic checkbox, I'd take that as a deep insult. It would be absolutely demoralizing to find that it isn't due to my efforts or skill or training or abilities that I got the job, but that HR needed a certain % of LGBT+ People. Just like it is demoralizing to find that I was denied a job, not because I'm not qualified, but because I am LGBT+. Is it too much to ask to base employment decisions on merit?
These kinds of people aren't rational, and they are the loudest of them all, they shout at the top of their lungs making sure everyone hears everything as if its a big problem and they proclaim that its the entire population that feels that way.
In other Words Trump can be sued under law along with the Courts for agreeing to that assessment from Trump, yes a sitting president can be sued under law and be impeached under the President Laws which Trump hasn't been following and thanks to the Muller Report he can be done in for a number things like lying to Congress and the People of America, for putting out false and misleading tweets/post/polls/running fake news stories that have nothing in them with facts or even a shred of a what the story is about.
Right now, the wording of the Civil Rights Act has left the question of whether LGBT+ people are covered up in the air, so some states treated it as if it did and some states treated it as if it didn't. People from states where there were no protections DID sue, which is where this court case came from. Hate to say it, but if the Supreme Court rules against them, we're up a creek.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jud....._United_States
At the start of 2010, the Obama administration included gender identity among the classes protected against discrimination under the authority of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). It was Obamas' wish to further attend to LGBT civil rights not only through legislation, but also the executive branch. In 2012 the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 does not allow gender identity-based employment discrimination because it is a form of sex discrimination. In 2015, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission concluded that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 does not allow sexual orientation discrimination in employment because it is a form of sex discrimination. <- this is in the link I shared which means Trump and the Supreme Court can't do anything without challenging the EEOC which will shut Donald Trump down in court cause the Supreme Court has to uphold Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.
Now, however, the Supreme Court is finally going to make a decision on the matter, and their decision will become the policy nation-wide. At that point, if they rule against LGBT+ people, it will be up to each individual state to pass laws protecting our rights. Some will, of course, do so immediately if they haven't already done so. Others, on the other hand, will refuse, leaving LGBT+ citizens there high and dry with no protections.
The problem is that the Supreme Court is very conservative right now, with 5 of the 9 justices being appointed by Trump or one of the two Bushes. That pretty much guarantees that they'll rule against LGBT+ inclusion in the Civil Rights Act. If that happens, and I really hate to say this, there is NOTHING WE CAN DO short of Congress drafting another law specifically to protect LGBT+ workers. A Supreme Court decision goes over the head of the EEOC and their policies and can't be circumvented by an executive order. We can try suing, but since this is a Supreme Court decision, it can only be overturned in the Supreme Court, and they tend to not hear the same cases twice without a good, long period in between. Years at least.
As much as you may want to believe that the EEOC or the lower court decisions have some play here, they really and truly don't. The only slim hope is that Roberts, the Chief Justice (currently the closest thing we have to a swing vote) decides to flip, which is highly unlikely.
That's a very long, very steep, and very slippery slope you're dancing on, and I'm sure your tune would change if those beliefs had you living under a bridge, eating from a dumpster because nobody would give you work just because of who and what you are.
Basically, I think people should be equal and only equal, which means no separate group or groups should be able to use the government as a weapon to beat others with to get their way. If a business is turning away too many customers or even employees based on something like sexual orientation (like chick-fil-a), then the community if they overwhelmingly disagree with them doing that, they can boycott the business and get them to leave eventually (this kind of thing does happen). I'm just not a fan of using the government to compel people to do or not do what you want, particularly when it revolves around social behaviour. That's just my opinion though : )