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I have really honestly no idea what this is about, but I just have to mention; you shouldn't ever let anybody force you to be someone you're not. If you like something, as long as it's harmless, like it all you want. Don't let anybody force you to stop liking it just because they don't.

Sorry for being late to reply. I've pretty much done that. Right now they think I'm no longer a part of the fandom because it's easier for me to hide than go against them. I don't want to cause turmoil so it's best to return to my old ways of hiding in the forest. Right now my sister doesn't even know what a furry is (or at least I don't think so.) I'm probably going to have to wait until college before I can meet another fur in real life. I know of a counselor at one of the scouting camp outs who has a positive view on the fandom and I'm going to ask if he's in the fandom this summer when I see him. I'm regretting not asking him before and I can't seem to forget about it. Maybe I'm just beating myself up over nothing again, but who knows.

Laying low from your family is usually a good idea. If you know something will cause crap with the people you have to live with until you or them dies; don't bother. I'm a Laveyan Satanist for example, and while my mother & sister are athiest & wiccan respectfully, my father is a devout christian assclown (no offense if you're christian; he was physically & emotionally abusive) as is the rest of my family. So they all assume I'm either atheist or the particularly picky ones think I'm christian. Whatever. If it makes them not tell me I'm some devil worshipping hellspawn, and not try to cram religion down my throat, sure, believe whatever. You know?

But reaching out is good. It would probably make you feel less bad. Families have a way of making you feel like shit for something completely and totally harmless.

I saw the satanist stuff on your page but am confused what it is. I'm a Lutheran and believe in god, but I like to know about other religions. What exactly is a satanist and what do you believe in? Around where I live I've heard of satanic worshipers who use wedgie boards and symbols for their own gain at the loss of another but have never been able to see actual evidence that it's true. I try to avoid stereotypes as much as I can, but is that what you believe in?

Laveyan specifically - Theistic Satanists are the ones who worship Satan, from the bible. I can't tell you about them - I know next to nothing about them - but Laveyan Satanists don't believe in any deity or higher power. We just believe that human beings are the highest beasts on earth - and beasts we are - the highest on the food chain.
And it's mostly...well take a self confidence seminar and put it in an unreligion and you have Laveyan Satanism. We call it Satanism because we embrace all that Christians or Catholics, so on so forth call Sins - lust; satisfying the sexual, primal need to reproduce, wrath; being human and being a beast of the earth and being able to defend one's self, or one's loved ones, food, etc. so on and so forth. Each sin is just a part of humanity and the earth's creatures as a whole, not...some evil thing to be pushed away or smothered for fear of some higher power invented to punish or slay the supposedly "wicked."
We're not however believing that humans can just do whatever and have an excuse for it; we do have our own sins, in fact 9 of them. Y'can read em on the LVS page LaVeyanFurs. You can really just take all of them and if you gather them up the basic idea is just "don't be an asshole." Most of the presets for Laveyans are that way. Anton Szandor Lavey, the founder, was actually a very sweet man. Very theatrical, and it shows in the Satanic Bible, and his music (he played the organ), and even in the unreligion he built from the ground up.
Some other things worth mentioning are there are Laveyans you could meet that are the sweetest people in the whole world. LVS has guidelines and boundaries, the "Eleven Rules of the Earth;" two of which I'd like to specifically point out being 9 and 10, not to hurt little children, ever for any reason and never to harm an animal except for defense or food. Basically, Lavey himself knew people could take this and twist it into a reason to be an awful person and took precaution against that; the Eleven rules of the earth are also basically don't be an asshole.

It really is one of the most beautiful and concise concepts I've ever seen, and even as a little girl I believed this stuff; every bit of it, really, I just didn't know there was a thing for it until I found LVS. And I needed it too, I grew up believing I was worthless and below everyone else, and LVS really helped me take a big step in realizing that no, I'm worth much more than I give myself credit for. I really do love it to death, and the people I've met that share it, I haven't really met a bad one; at least of the people who follow it.

I apologize if I seem offensive or converting. I'm not trying to convert or insult you, it's just that LVS and Christianity are as opposite as they could get. (Theistic Satanism and Christianity are basically the same things but two sides of the coin; whereas LVS and chrisianity are true opposites. We have no deity, we embrace the sins, so on and so forth.) I tried to explain it in a way that might not strike you as an attack, and it's a little difficult. I hope it came out right. I respect your decision to believe in what you do.

Don't worry about feeling like you were being offensive, after all I asked about it first I did see the LVS page a while ago but was confused about it at the time but your explanation of it helped me understand it a little better. I've always liked learning about other religions and seeing how it affects people's cultures. I haven't found any religions that I truly hate other than the ones that practically demand the execution of anybody who doesn't agree with their beliefs, but I wouldn't be surprised if that changes later. As for the people involved in different religions being good or bad, I always like to quote my Sunday school teacher's explanation that there will be bad people in heaven and good people who aren't, so I am always cautious about saying a religion makes criminals or anything of the sort before learning about it more.
I don't think that LVS is an exact opposite to Christianity, since the bible actually agrees with several of the LVS sins (I counted 6) and about 5 of the LVS rules of the earth. Theistic satanists, from my understanding, are the true opposite of Christianity since they are the people who truly want to destroy the christian faith and replace God with Satan. I've only come across one such person, but when I told him I was a christian he had an almost instant hatred of me. I always enjoy those conversations because I get to laugh about how bad they're actually making themselves and their beliefs look to an outsider. I'm sorry that your first experience with a christian had to be your dad. It always makes me disappointed when I hear about other Christians who try to force their religion on others or give a bad representation of the Christian beliefs.

I think I have used the words Christian and belief enough for this post.

I mean true opposites as in as far as it goes technically, it's an opposite. We have no deity, whereas both Christianity and Theistic Satanism do; and Christianity and Theistic Satanism share the same beliefs, except they're opposing sides.

I mostly get crap from Christians, really. A friend of mine even gave me crap at one point for being Laveyan, all because he was Christian. I do my best to respect people's beliefs, but when they don't respect mine too, that's when shit gets scary. I really do get it a lot; if I ever try to have a religious conversation, it's all "you're just too chicken to be theistic", and "god will send people like you to hell" even though hello, I've not done anything except not believe, damn.
It's nice to meet somebody who isn't instantly all up in arms like "OH NO SATANIST? WHERE? HE'S GOING TO SACRIFICE MY GOATS AND FEED ON MY CHILDREN" wat
(sorry if this doesn't make any sense it's late)

If I were you I would take their comments as they actually like you and want to see you even after death. They are probably just nervous because of the satanist name. If you walk up to a random person and ask them what word pops into their head when you say satanist, they will probably respond with something negative or even worse. I've also experimented with people socially to see how they react and try to figure out what makes them tick. One such experiment was involved with religion. I told my parents and nobody else about the experiment then whenever I was in public I would say I was an atheist. I found that some people came closer to me but at the same time a large majority started avoiding conversation and ignored me. It takes balls to actually be an atheist in a family of Christians who expect you to follow the word of god. As for the "god will send people like you to hell" part, I do agree that nonbelievers won't be in heaven, but the way they say it makes me cringe at their face noises. When people talk like that they basically cut any chance of communication with the other person. If you want to avoid at least part of that, don't say you're a "Laveyan satanist" since that implies that you worship Satan. Instead, try simply saying that you're Laveyan. From there you can describe your beliefs without making them ignore you. I hope this helps a little, but since I'm a christian I can't really say too much about Laveyans other than how to talk to others about it without them rejecting you. If you want to know what is really difficult to talk about religions, try explaining to a Muslim from the middle east what a christian is. They think that the different types of Christians fight over who's right, just like the Muslims do. I'm lucky I haven't had to do that, but I've heard it's the most difficult thing to do without them getting mad.

Eh, I've tried that. It's LVS in itself that offends people. The whole "highest beasts of the earth", and "we basically embrace the christian sins" or really any way of explaining it people immediately think "Oh so you like, use it as a reason to be a bad person"

I'm curious, though. You said you believe non-believers will not make it into heaven. I'm not challenging your beliefs but I do want to know why you think that way; what have we done exactly? For example, a man lives his life normally; he marries, has children, raises them as best he can, and then grows old and dies. Never hurt anyone, worked hard, but he did not believe in god. What happens to him? He was an honest man, so why should he suffer in Hell with the wicked and unjust, dishonest bastards that deserve Satan's wrath? All because as a simple man he did not believe?

I find beliefs like this very interesting to discuss. I met a man who believed animals were upon the earth for Human's use and none other; meaning, he could beat, fuck or train to serve his dog or any animal he wanted as much as he wanted and receive no reprieve from god because it was "a soulless creature" god put there for that use.
He'd been jailed before but wouldn't tell me why.

I can't really say how to deal with those types of people who think like that since I don't have much experience in that type of situation. If I were you, I would try thinking about what they want to hear and consider how your responses might make them think. lol I just realized I'm basically helping you spread the word of LVS. I guess at least you believe in something. Too many people just choose to "opt out" of it all nowadays.

Suppose if a person were to be absolutely perfect and never did anything wrong, if he didn't believe in god, he hasn't sinned against the people he's around, but has instead sinned against his own creator who holds the keys to heaven. Not believing that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins is what we call the only sin that is unforgivable in the eyes of god. That person may not have done anything to another person around him, but by not believing, that person has basically rejected the gift that Jesus gave us so we could be made pure and sinless to go to heaven. I'm not saying that we are instantly sinless if we believe, but after death our sins are forgiven and we are made in the way god originally intended before Satan convinced Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life in the garden of Eden.

That man who you met is obviously not a christian. I just have to quote a part of the bible for this one since I don't have much better of an explanation.

Leviticus 20:15-16
15“ ‘Suppose a man has sex with an animal. Then he must be put to death. You must also kill the animal.
16“ ‘Suppose a woman has sex with an animal. Then kill the woman and the animal. They must be put to death. Anything that happens to them will be their own fault.

Why does god hate bestiality so much? This sums it up fairly well.

Leviticus 18:23
23“ ‘Do not have sex with an animal. Do not make yourself “unclean” by doing that. A woman must not offer herself to an animal to have sex with it. That is a twisted use of sex.

The bible clearly shows a hatred for bestiality. It also shows homosexuality as being one of the worst sins, but not unforgivable, but that's a whole other story involving a city being destroyed by god because of it.


I hope I'm not starting to look like one of those Christians who memorizes every line of the bible. Most people can't do that, and most of the pastors only memorize certain important parts. I still have to finish reading it sometime. And don't worry about me feeling like I'm being challenged in my religion. I like to be able to talk to others without boundaries that keep me from talking about different subjects. To be honest, you're the first person I've talked to who isn't a christian and is trying to understand it. I think that when people are talking face to face, they tend to build up those borders and these types of conversations can't happen without somebody loosing their temper or the whole topic is avoided to try to protect another person's feelings.

thanks for the fav.
also remember - the real spirit of leadership and success is when you do whatever the fuck you want.

Just for the sake of good analogy - did you see the Wolf of the Wall street? Remember the humming scene? He did not give a fuck about anyone around, because when you are free in your mind, you just don't care

I never watched that movie, but I'm just trying to get by without getting my parents mad at me.