...PFFFFFFT HAHAHAAHAH.

Forgive me for my outburst, but that is just fucking hilarious. I didn't even bother to think that they were on the disc already. I feel for you man, Capcom has just been going crazy recently and this just puts the nail in that coffin.

dlc on the disk is old news. It sucks but everyones been doing it

I know, hence my laughter. Didn't bother to think of the thing that was right in front of my face.

oh god no! god no! l3 FUCK YOU Capcom! indeed fuck it to hell damnation and rot it in there! THAT was the last straw among last ones.

WELL DON'T YOU KNOWS DLC IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ADD POST RELEASED IF IT WASN'T PLANNED DURRRRRRR

but in seriousness yeah it's pretty BS that it's already on the damn disk and we're having to crap out more money for it, I dunno if i should called Capcom the worse company to use DLC or not XD;

EA is doing it now so. So i believe EA is still officially the worse

... So lemme get this straight, they're calling stuff that's locked, on the disc, DLC... Downloadable content. Uhm, yeah. Crappy attempt at saying that they don't use DRM this time? Uhm... Well, someone's gonna have that stuff broken out soon enough, but really, that's just what. Expecting you to pay extra to use what you physically have? Uhm... Yeah. Rage justified. Go, go, go. D:

I'm glad I don't have to deal with current games' bullcrap 'cause I just got a PSP a few months ago, slogging through the backlog there.. xD

dude get mgs peace walker! so good

Anyone need any further reasons to hate them now?

I just saw Mega Man's ending so I think I'm good. Not like the hate needed any reinforcing, really.

yea all the dlc characters endings got leaked lol i only really liked sakura, blankas ending cause they found dan in the pandora box for some reason

o.O... What the fuck happened to him? lol

its box art 1 mega man a troll move that was done by capcom cause they were tired of people wanting mega man in every other fighter they made. The guy who made mega man left so someway or the other they dont want to give into the guy who made him so this is what they are doing

Inafune is in no way a motivating factor in this decision. It was in all likelyhood a tongue in cheek jab at the noisy Mega-fans.

it was a awesome jab oh dont forget zero's alt too on mvc3

The Zero alt I think was a genuine attempt at pleasing fans. Bad box art Megaman IS hilarious though because it's such a blatant troll. X3

Ah, so that's why the guy in the video freaked out?

I've pretty much lost every ounce of interest in Capcom...I truly can't remember when I last bought a game made by Capcom. Now games like Persona and Devil Survivor and Digital Devil Saga...those were some damn good games right there.

i love the persona games. never liked there remakes though. Why did they put sunglasses on hitler and call him furor in the persona 2 remake anyways?

Because the ratings system we have now had issues with that concept, they even changed the battle field you stand on. However, if they didn't make the change...we may never have gotten the game. And besides, it's not that bad...we all still know who it is, a pair of sunglasses and a trenchcoat do nothing to hide who he really is.

i know we can have a giant dick riding a chariot but we cant fight and kill hitler go figure

You wanna know the kicker about this...look up Persona 3 Pachinko...look it up. Japan, OFFICIALLY, has everything now.

cool but nothin new my fav machine is the tekken 5 slot machine

man i feel like after persona 2 the game got kinda childish but they are still good infact i kinda dig 4 but they just really are not as dark as the first set of games

P4 was considered the happiest game that dealt with murder ever. No More Heroes was the parody of parodies, with lots of hack and slash moments as well as some...awesome side stuff (playing as Henry...I never felt so epic).

But, but the moneys!

Starting with the bullshit with Mercs 3D Capcom has taken a very very downward spiral as it is getting to the point where fans might actually start hacking into Capcom's offices just to mess with them for messing with fans. The only way I can see Capcom pulling back fans is if DMC5 DOESN'T suck or Resi 6 becomes the mass effect of Third Person Shooters.

mercs 3d was a 3ds title and was a test for resident evil revelations. did you play re evelations its really good. The new devil may cry isnt by capcom. and so you want resident evil 6 to be a single player game thats 6 hours long thanks to a mediocre multiplayer aspect put into it

Mercs 3D's one game save file with no reset was a dick move by Capcom and I think everyone knows that. I will not play revelations till its lower priced Preowned because I rather support the lesser of two evils. [Game Stop or Play and Trade] Pun not intended. And no I may have not been clear on this but I guess I should have used Resident Evil 4 as a better example. I want Resident Evil 6 to have a at least 20 hours campaign with decent multiplayer with the DLC NOT TO BE ON THE DISC.

I think it was a mistake to make resident evil online they should have kept it on outbreak calvin isn't evil man everybody been putting dlc on disc capcom was the first to tell you

Typical Capcom. =/

"Want more color variety for your characters? 5 DOLLERZ PLZ"

"Want to play as your favorite character? MORE MONIES PLZ"

they have always done that however you can access elena through a glitch with poison and mega man and pac man are free. But yea thats how it is they did that with marvel vs capcom 3 and ultimate mvc3, and snk did that with colors and ex characters in king of fighters 13 and a few games are gonna do this besides capcome games. mass effect 3 is gonna do that the special edition that has some dlc is already on the disc so your paying 80 i think for extra stuff that is already on disc. thats the future of games and it sucks. What really sucks about sf x tekken in my opinion is the systems that are used within the game that most people who will take time to learn this will actually never use.
normally a fighting game has 1 or 2 features that make the game what it is. Street Fighter 4 had focus attacks and ultras, marvel vs capcom had xfactors and the one button launch (special), King of Fighters had hyper bar that let you ex in and out of every move and allowed you to cancel out of every move. things like that.
Now with sf x tekken though there are several modes and features that are built for casuals that may just play till the next new game game comes out. for instance
Gems- gems are just one of the comeback mechanics in the game. they activate under certain conditions and give the player a small bonus usually to defense or attack (like 10%)
some will do stuff like increase distance and what not for moves.
Another feature is scramble mode. scramble mode is like smash bros. now dont get me wrong i love smash bros. but 80 % of a fighting game community will tell you that smash bros is not a fighter nor is it worthy orf a real tournament scene due to its mechanics. but its the same with scramble mode a battle royal will be great and fun maybe for a few days then people will want to play the real game.
another feature is PANDORA mode. pandora mode is when you sacrifice one character to make the other stronger. this is like another comeback mechanic but it totally defeats the purpose of this game being a team game. However this is actually not very usefull and most of the time is not used very often.
Party Time is another feature within the game. This was a mode in marvel vs capcom 1 were both characters on a team would jump on screen and you would control both at he same time by doing moves the nreturn stick to neutral to switch and vice versa.
this and there are about 4 other modes including tag combos, cross assaults, 2vs2 and what not.
Also the guest characters are silly i mean cmon Cole magraph from that crappy infamous game, toro and koro from japan that no one will know also they are just ryu and kazuya, pacman! why? this isnt soul calibut this game can actually sell with out the need of guest characters. However i will not bash BOX ART 1 mega man he was put in the game for all the whiny capcom fans that wouldnt be quiet about mega man. So now you have him and i couldnt agree more with them.
what Im guessing to say is do not hate the game for how they are marketing dlc hate the game for all the useless crap they put into it. the vita version isnt coming out till later which is good. And at least this is one game were they will actually make dlc character that are not on disc (for once). This is capcoms new main game and thus is gonna shadow over street fighter 4. I for one will not play scramble mode or use gems but the game isnt going to fail. But you are not alone everyone has made comments to the pr guy ono and seth killian but its just like capcom to never listen to there fans.
Just wait untill you actually get to play the game then go after it trust me. I hated how this game looked and played till i finally got to play it at last evo and a final build at norcal regions. Its not a bad game just has a cluster fuck of stuff you wont play for more then a day.

Really I'm just venting. I wasn't hyped at all for this game because as I've always said and as you touched on, it's a clusterfuck of game mechanics.

I'm not very fond of DLC and haven't been for quite a while. For every one instance where it's done well there are at least 10 which are shameless cash grabs. I know there's a reason on disc DLC happens and it's an understandable one but this instance with SFxT specifically seems like one of the shadiest especially based on the videos these guys all look largely complete unlike Jill with MvC3. Not to mention UMvC3 was a premature update but there was no doubt new content added. SFxT has just as many unavailable characters that were added to UMvC3 but they're being held back for what is likely a marketing reason with the Vita.

As far as content is concerned, alt costumes don't even compare to full blown characters. That shit is important. The EX characters in KoFXIII weren't quite so vital since they were in a way tweaks of characters already on the roster and there were only 3. SFxT has four times that many. And don't even get me started on pricing. In MvC3 Jill and Shuma were 5 dollars a pop. I shudder to think how the DLC will be priced this time.

Either way I've got better games to play at the moment. I don't plan to touch this game until I see what people think a couple months down the road and only after all this DLC bull has been resolved to some extent.

its cool its just that dlc on disc is old news just capcom came out and said but games like mgs4 online had theyre online the expansions were already on disc and so on. this happens because people by it just look at all the microtransaction mmo games out there. as for dlc pricess dont bash capcom unless your gonna bash blaz blue the character were 7 99 each at one time and they were charging 5 99 for each set of alt colors not costumes but colors not to mention they are selling alt voices for 3 or 2 99.kof 13 characters were a little more then tweaked but thats small detail. But just keep in mind this has always been going on but at the very least capcom told you they did it instead of leaving it for you to find out not that its still noble of them to be doing it. Im still wondering were the fuck is karin from alpha why do we have the asuka and lily team if we dont have sakura and karin team for street fighter. At the very least though capcom has said there is more dlc coming then whats on the disc (remember ono said that everyone in game they are trying to make as characters so there is still dan and evil ryu and more to come maybe that is. anyhoo i wonder when the vita version will happen.

I'm complaining more about DLC on the disc. I just said I understand the reason behind it. I'm just not fond of the way it's often implemented. It's a tough pill to swallow but for significant content I can swallow it. But this is a pretty friggin' terrible take at it.

And I think I can bash Capcom and not Blazblue because those 3 DLC characters weren't on the disc in any playable form. All that was there at launch was placeholder data like themes and crests. There has never to my recollection been an instance like this in a fighter were there were so many characters locked away on disc and largely playable. Hell, I'm watching a guy stream these guys right now. X

I forgot to mention one of my favorite things about this game is its faster then sf4 but not as fast as mvc3
and charging special moves into ex moves or holding then longer for charged supers was a fantastic idea

btw sorry for wall of text

I really hate that. Capcom is seriously dropping the ball big time with this nonsense.

I won't repeat what many have said but honestly, if the characters are ALREADY in your game, what about having them as DLC, but also able to unlock them? Like you can skip unlocking a character if you buy, or you can put effort into it and unlock them?

So many times it just feels it's all about the money these days...

Before I go and say "I find this quantity of rage amusing~", I'd like to ask: what's going on and why is it making you pissed off? I happen to be way too old for this "DLC madness" myself and behind my time, so explonation is required. õ.=.ô

I hate it because when I purchase a game at full price I expect to be buying a complete product. Very often DLC annoys me because it ends up giving me the feeling that I just bought an incomplete product at full price and now I'm being charged for the rest.

Ah~

Well, sometimes DLC's can improve things. All I have to say against this is the word "Fallout: New Vegas" and there ye go: an overly buggy game gained a good DLC that improved the game a bit (from what I have read and heard).


But in this case, what's the matter? What's the problem in here that Capcom is doing? And why is it maddening?

people are dissapointed that the game contains all the dlc but its already on disc but you have to pay money. im gonna say it again. Many games have already done this capcom is just taking crap cause they told everyone about it. besides im sure there is a reason to why its all on disc. im sure it makes the characters and costumes cheaper and that way they can put it all on network quicker to keep peoples attention on the game. But video games is all bout maken the money so whatev as long as the tournaments are strong for this game i will keep playing.

Ah, so basically:

All characters are in the disc already, but you have to pay for a CODE that unlocks them and allows them to be used? Sounds like what MK9 did with their special character, if you ask from me...

...though announcing it might be quite a crapsack trick to do, but meh. I'm still far away behind my time *still has no PS3 himself*

Difference is the DLC characters in Mortal Kombat weren't really on the disc in any playable capacity. At least certainly not to the extent these guys in SFxT are.

btw zero i just herd that the combo system in this game is probably gonna be used for the next darkstalkers game if they follow through with making it

I'm just saying as someone who works in games, this is not as much of a dick move as people seem to think it is.
Now, this is theoretical, I dont know how Capcom do thire budget or project plans and yes this my not be the case and they are infact a buch of dick holes,
but let me try to explane with my poor writing skills why this is not a crime against the world.

when budgeting a game you invest based on your expected earnings. this is simple and no suprise to anyone.
now, the extra content, be it on disc or not, is going to only be produced based on them bugeting for ernings form DLC purchases.
so basicly, they are theoretically producing this game (more to the point the combined content on the disc) at a loss with the forcast of
earning from DLC making up for the extra work. i think thats extreamly simple to grasp, dont you?

what im sayuing is, from the buget perspective, the game development perspective, the extra content on the disc are asset you havent paid for yet.
and if you want it, its right there for ya'.

now , like i said, Capcom could just be jerks here, but the issues with budgeting and project planing are very real. (and a massive pain in the ass by the way)
I can only assume the reasion the DLC fighters are on the disc is due to the fact, for ballanceing , the extra fighters would need to be finished prior to release,
and if they are done, why not stick 'em on the disk. save you havign to download 'em?

That said, why are they not DLC on the vita? this could be explaned by Sony paying the tab, but then maybe not?
(sorry if this reads baddly, im way to bussy right now to write this to essay standed)

I understand how DLC development works and even how DLC is often on a different budget from the main title. However I'm really pissed for a couple reasons. The first is having 12 full blown characters ready this soon seems so off. It was known these characters were going to be in the Vita version so why aren't/weren't these characters in the original budget? The other thing is I fear for the cost. I'm fine paying like 5 dollars or so for significant content but considering Capcom is charging 5 dollars a character for Jill and Shuma I fear these characters are going to cost a lot. Optimistically they'll be 5 dollars for a pair but even then I'm paying 30 dollars for content already on the disc I hypothetically bought already.

It's a complicated subject for me to approach. I understand the business behind it but as a consumer I can't help but feel like I'm getting screwed with practices like this.

I feel you completely and as consumers, we have every right to feel the way we do about the issue based solely on how it looks and or seems to be, this is something Capcom should understand. its bad enought that they feel that unlike, Sega or Namco, we should have to pay for 2nd costumes not ot metion Capcoms need to make 'Super' and 'dash' versions of games (do you get the feeling , they are building up for another SF4 releses?).
I just felt i should mention the business side of things as often people dont like to think about it.